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Honestly not sure how to answer this. Mailtemi is just like any other iOS email app. Actually it doesn't include even crash logging, just avoid sending anything to 3th party service. Just curious , is there any iOS open source email app? Proton-mail is not really an email client ,it's more like a viewer for their service.

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I have a related question. What is the business model for mailtemi? Since it looks like a free app with no subscriptions or in-app purchases, how well is it going to be supported in the future? If it’s always going to be free, then why not open source it?

I’m not saying that paid apps always receive great support at all times, but it’s about incentives.

The questions about business model should be answered on your website in an FAQ page or on the homepage.

Yes , I guess I need to update the site to include this info , as this question emerges too often. Some extra features like push notification will require subscription (probably a few $ a year). Right now it works (only in a dev environment) with MSGraph and Gmail. Just waiting for JMAP push notifications to be enabled by Fastmail , to release support for the tree protocols.

Would that require giving up the access credentials to app-supporting servers or there’s a way to avoid this and make two servers meet “in the middle” with client orchestrating the initial setup (at least with JMAP)?

I self-host and don’t like how way too many client apps deal with credentials in the name of convenience, many without even announcing that they do send them somewhere outside the device. I don’t currently have JMAP but I’m interested in replacing IMAPv4 as soon as something better is ready aka has all the features I use and mobile and desktop clients (I don’t really care about the webapps).

The only credentials which will flow is OAuth/API token. Mailtemi (future)server would not store it, only ephemeral (http + cert check) connection to advice for push notification.JMAP and MSGraph protocols are fine by design. Gmail needs a bit of tweaking to hash email addresses , because in their API the key is email. There are edge cases like non ascii email addresses.

For IMAP there is no push protocol without a password knowledge. No plan/wish to deal/know/store it. But still I think of small open source AWS golang/nodejs code(+markeplace bridge). Just the password possession should be only of the owner.

Isnt there IMAP IDLE?

Not entirely sure of the details. Why is that not usable?

IMAP IDLE needs an open connection. When the phone is locked all apps are suspended(connection closed) except if they are VOIP. So this makes IDLE unusable. Moreover an open connection takes more energy. So here comes push notification and from open protocols only JMAP has it.

Just because I saw it in the link above (dont think its on the App Store):

https://github.com/linagora/tmail-flutter

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