Competent creators will not be replaced, they will use the tools to do their job faster/better. I remember soem tiem ago artists having reservations on "digital art". Someone said it better, a person with a camera is not a photographer.
the problems I have with Microsoft Copilot is that the fuckers did not used MS proprietary code train but only trained with other people GPL/MIT code, this was shitty and implies that their implementation is "dangerous" to use with proprietary code but their expensive lawyers can handle a bunch of open source small developers.
You did
1 MS did not violate copyright since is open source code, andfor soem reason you think that only proprietary code should be removed from copilot
2 even if MS violated the license the guilty person is the dude that uploaded the code to GitHub and click I Agree not he ToS, implying that somehow the GitHub ToS has the ability to change open source license(but t proprietary ones, since you claim MS "removed" such code when it was revealed).
As I mentioned above, MS are cowards, iof their thing is real creating new stuff then put their ass on the line and put their own code in too, put all proprietary code in GitHub in copilot too and then have their well paid lawyers defend their tech.
Name calling is though is very clearly against HN’s guidelines.
Let me try to use an example, maybe we are both bad at expressing this in english
I did no say that the user that uploads has no responsibility, but if I upload the Windows code, or FreeBSD code and mark it as GPL and click I agree on the ToS , does this mean that the original license is invalid and GitHub can do whatever they want just because a random person click an Html button?>> “Are you aware of any copyrighted material that was illegally loaded to GitHub that has been proven to be used by CoPilot, it’s use was not transformative — AND - GitHub has not removed it from the model?”
Speculative claims to me are do not merit any response, especially when accusing party of something for which you have no related evidence; which actually might be defamation.
If you have any creditable, independently verifiable, material, etc - evidence of a violation of a specific reproducible CoPilot output, which is documented as having been a valid copyright violation by an unauthorized party, and it has not been removed from the model — please feel free to share links.
As is, GitHub has the right to use code unless they receive what I just requested multiple times from you and appears possible you’re intentionally ignoring for reasons I do not understand.
If I have missed something, it’s not intentional, happy to address any errors or omissions on my party if they exist; assuming you’re not skipping over my points.
Snippets of code were already found, and MS did not removed them from the model but put an IF check to make sure is not appearing again.
So now I need to find specially for you a new snippet and also somehow ensure MS won't add it in the IF checks too ... then I would have proven to you that all that list of conditions are broken.
The proof was already shown, the code was spiting exactly snippets of code, I am not the one that needs to prove that the MS "quick fix" is working correctly now.
Dude I think this kind of AI can be done right, I am not convinced MS did it correct because they already outputed copyrighted code and on top of that they avoided to put their ass on the line. I don't hate the idea of copilot, just the bad implementation of it.
MS can't use this excuse, if some dude uploads Windows code or say GTA6 code on GitHub I can't just use it and point you to the GitHub repo and ask you to figure it out with that person.
MS should either
1 tell you that the code is BSD,GPL, MIT depending on what is derived from
2 tell you that is not derived but some new code, but at the same time put his fat ass on the line and also put proprietary code in the mix, like their code and private code on GitHub since they claim the output is not derived from the input.
But they did it half ways, they did not had the courage for 2 and they did not want to respect the MIT,GPL either
Today in many states it's perfectly legal to shoot a native american if you're in a wagon circle. Is that ethical?
Fair use is also a positive defense, which means that only the courts can really say if something is fair use or not.
>> “Art history is literally full of transformation of prior works”
There’s no reasonable ethical basis to take issue with. You’re examples and counter points to me add substantive your claims. What am I missing?
That difference is enough to assert that there is a wholly reasonable ethical basis. Especially when they're obviously not just training it on images with relaxed copyrights.
Ethically speaking, for the second time, you ignored that within art world, or real world for that matter, making derivative works is completely ethical if done within any related legal constraints; as such, to me, you’re not making a good faith effort, which is actually unethical if intentionally done, so I will not be replying any further.
> Today in many states it's perfectly legal to shoot a native american if you're in a wagon circle.
https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/25222/is-it-leg...