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In a way, I understand Merkel: she must have seen Putin is a scoundrel but choose the policy of trying to domesticate him by keeping civilized business relations with him. Unfortunately, she lacked imagination. In XXI century, it is more inexcusable than ever.

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That's fine, but at the same time you need to build up your backup strategy.

That's the problem in general in our modern economy. No reserves, no resilience, no backup plan

Two countries that both have McDonalds would never go to war with each other though. I mean, except for all of the times they have. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lexus_and_the_Olive_Tree...

Let me correct this brilliant socio-economic hypothesis: "two countries that both have American food and drink franchises they're all fat and physically incapable".

> trying to domesticate him by keeping civilized business relations with him.

This was the theory sold by German elites to the populace over obnoxiously overfunded German public media.

So Putin invaded a foreign country and seized their land and you think Merkel's decision of keep doing business with Putin was somehow domesticating him?

It's precisely that lack of action that proved to Putin that out leaders are spineless addicts to his cheap gas and he can play them like a fiddle.

Also, let's not forget the lucrative positions Gerhard Schröder got at Russian energy companies in exchange for his "help" in getting Germany hooked on Russian gas.

That's my point: not only it didn't work, but her lack of imagination left us all on the cold.

since when russia was an enemy of europe? historically they are the one who beat the nazis. if you refer to 2014 it is europe and us that also pushed russia to come into ukraine.

everything would have been avoidable if we gave putin some warranty of not meddling with ukraine, putting corrupt people in a non elected government. and Im not saying that what is happening know is right. A russian invasion of ukraine is wrong. but that was definitely something USA actions in Ukraine expected long before 2014

>since when russia was an enemy of europe?

Ask the Eastern European countries who've had to suffer 50 years of communist atrocities thanks to WW2 invasion of their countries by Russia and the USSR.

USSR not russia. it collapsed. are you still upset about ottoman empire? nazi germany? the first world war aftermath should have taught us something.

Ha, you're saying this after you said (not exact words) "Look who beat the Nazis in 1945!"? So which is it, do you want to consider the group of people occupying the land 80 years ago same as the present people, or different?

America dropped 2 atomic bombs on live civilians and now they fear mongering the world into a new nuclear war. I think this beats everything and every argument for giving them the keys to owning the "peace of the world" but somehow you seem to hate russia more than facts.

Come on kid, you're the one arguing with emotions (Bombs on live civilians! Hmm, reminds me of Assad, Putin's friend, dropping phospor bombs) instead of logical facts.

This reply is just a distraction and doesn't refute the fact that you're just a rambling fool who tried to argue both that "heroic Russia beat the Nazis" but "That was the USSR, long collapsed, and not Russia causing suffering in the Warsaw pact countries!'.

who are you calling kid? you even edited your original comment afterward lol. logical facts are that russian and putin long called for ukraine to be neutral. removing their elected leader and pushing a pro european riot destroyed that neutrality and that was the tipping point of everything else. that people like you developed a generational hate toward a country is not helping with the above facts

I'm calling you kid, kid. So what if I edited my comment, to emphasize you still haven't acknowledged your incoherence: So which is it, do you want to consider the group of people occupying the land 80 years ago same as the present people, or different? Russia beat Nazis in the 1940's = so Russia is hero. USSR was a brutal regime = USSR collapsed, Russia today doesn't have anything to do with USSR. But Russia today should still get credit for USSR beating the Nazis!

BTW I don't hate Russia the country, I have friends who are stuck there and don't know what tomorrow may bring (including a couple who might both be called to war (apparently being a woman might not save you from mobilization if you're a doctor), and they have 2 young kids), but I hate the corrupt idiot currently holding it hostage...

Yeah, your style of argument is familiar to me, the style of the feeble-minded and people who are emotional and whose knowledge aren't full knowledge but just gathered from random blogs, tweets, and whatever propaganda crap you're reading. Incoherent, and when people point it out, bring out other topics in hopes that they get distracted and engage the new topic instead. When challenged, you'd rather not discover to see whether the opponent is right, but you'd rather protect your own ego and convince yourself that they're the deluded ones, and you're the one who knows the truth. "I can't acknowledge that, to acknowledge that would mean admitting I was an idiot yesterday, and I'm not an diot!"

Sorry dang, and HN, for engaging the trolls...

you the troll changing original comment to make me look like im incoherent. this is disingenuous theres nothing more to say.

He doesn't make you look incoherent. You wrote your own comments. You want to credit Russia for beating nazis while not crediting them with atrocities because it was the USSR.

Can't go much more incoherent than that.

there is coherence. his original comment was spitting hate at russia in a way that the country was pure evil my reply merely mentionned they defeated nazi germany. then he edited the comment. I credit the fact that history is complex and that all countries are bad and good.

America dropped 2 atomic bombs on military targets. The civilians were collateral damage, as always occurs in war. Attacks conducted by Japan, USSR, and other belligerents involved in WW2 also killed large numbers of civilians.

> since when russia was an enemy of europe?

It's hard to give a precise date since Europe was torn by so many wars over centuries, but when it comes to the present situation, I'd say it was the Bolshevik Revolution. European countries were afraid the communist movement spreads everywhere - and in fact it became quite popular in several countries.

Then, after WWII, Russia established their military bases in all of Eastern Europe and after that the Cold War begun. When the Berlin Wall fell, everybody was so happy because we really hoped it's the end of tension between Russia and the West. It didn't last long, though - Putin's speech in Munich in 2007 made it clear he has a completely different vision.

So, to briefly answer your question, for the most part of the last century, actually.

Merkel is a "former" Stasi and what do think Scholz is? Deutschland is just yet another rusky oblast, end of story. Actually no, the EU is just the 4th Reich aka DDR aka rusky oblast therefore.

Let's not exaggerate. Germany needs energy, so Scholz strategy is to minimize the losses. He is also sending weapons to Ukraine, just not bragging about like other countries. The spirit of the "German fault" is still present in Germany and there is a strong disincentive for engaging in any kind of armed conflict.

Nevertheless, I believe Germans as a whole realize how mistaken the overall policy of their government is and exercise some pressure to change that. Not shutting down nuclear reactors would be a good first step that would benefit the whole EU, not just Germany.

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