US National Debt Tops $31T
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_externa...
I suspect most of that is private debt though being funneled through the IFSC.
Ireland has a GDP of $499 billion [1]. That would mean an external debt of $228 billion would be 46% of GDP, not 700%.
I wonder what other numbers are wrong in that table.
[1] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?location...
[1] https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/government-debt-to-gdp
[2] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...
The debt has to keep growing for the system to keep functioning, but there are diminishing returns of real growth from this increase in debt, plus if there is de-globalization where does the surplus come from externally to be the creditor to finance these deficits?
It's true that many countries are having these problems and US probably has crisis last. But historically it is definitely special.
There will not be de-globalization without a devastating WWIII and the US might as well take what financing they can get before then because afterwards it will be meaningless.
Europe severing energy ties to Russia, regulating US tech cos, West sanctioning Chinese 5G and chip producers, confiscating Euro/Dollar reserves, China, Russia and Japan years ago stopping increasing their holdings of US debt and recently selling them, Europe re-assessing the belief they could have such extreme dependence on US military for security and Russia for energy....all signs of some degree of de-globalization (towards more autarky)
>a devastating WWIII
I don't think it necessarily requires a devastating war, but some war is not that unlikely (we already have it.)
I'm sure the UK's doing much worse now.
Not really reassuring
What you definitely don't want to look at is the US external debt to trade surplus ratio.
If you do, you might start buying canned tuna.
$1 trillion more in tax every year. Not to start new government programs. Not to adequately fund existing programs. None of that. $1 trillion more simply to maintain the status quo of paying interest on the debt.
The CBO estimated before interest rates increased that by 2050, the US government will spend 50% of tax revenue on debt interest payments. This is likely a much higher percentage now with interest rates going through the roof.
And finally, I will note that the average weighted maturity of government debt is less than 5 years, and falling. This means that the treasury is constantly rolling over old debt into new debt at the new interest rates. 25% of the federal debt is in t-bills, which have maturities between 4 weeks and 52 weeks. This means that the $8 trillion in outstanding t-bills will all be refinanced at 4%+ rates in less than a year.
1) Raise taxes (Politically unpopuluar)
2) Cut entitlements (Also Politically unpopular)
3) Inflation (Because the government will pay the debt with dollars that are worth less)
Public debt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_de...
GDP doesn’t tell you very much about the serviceability of the debt. What we probably need is some sort of “serviceability score” that accounts for interest rates on the debt, rollover dates, tax collection, currency regime, etc. But that’s basically what ratings agencies do.
I think it is more interesting to look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_de...
> And the new paradigm suggests both that public debt isn’t a major problem and that government borrowing for the right purposes is actually the responsible thing to do.
> Here’s where it becomes crucial to realize that the world has changed: Interest rates are much lower than they were in the past, and all indications are that they’ll stay low for years to come.
The phrase "for the right purposes" sounds like a scape goat for government spending. What is a right purpose? Morally speaking - almost anything. Economically speaking, I imagine only things that are likely to increase net GDP over the long haul.
It seems clear to me that you can draw a pretty clear line between quantitate easing & government bailouts of companies during COVID to a sizable quantity of current inflation. Asset prices rose in the market, which bubbled down to housing, rent, and consumer products. Supply shocks for oil and trade commodities were part of the equation but only a part. From everything I've read on federal bank history, the more money that's in supply means the higher inflation - almost by definition. You can only issue so much debt out of nothing before dollars are fighting over the same core commodities.
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/03/opinion/biden-republicans...
MMT was never the prevailing theory. It has elements of truth to it, e.g. the limiter on American deficit spending is inflation. But deficits not mattering was always a fringe view.
At this point, the two party system means you pick between a party that does not care, and a party that pretends to. So far, nothing bad has happened either economically or to their electoral results.
There hasn't been a single-day-crash, but some bad things have definitely happened economically. We just hide it in "hedonic adjustments".
Not saying that's a good thing, but supply constraints and build costs are here to stay for the major metros. Interest rates and remote work being indefinite should help with prices and create buying opportunities for some in larger cities.
But it's better to play the real estate game by being pragmatic about what you can afford where (buy elsewhere and move, invest elsewhere before buying a primary, etc) and how to get to the next level instead of feeling entitled.
I accepted the reality years ago and did 2 investment properties in other cities before buying my primary in the city I wanted to live in.
It sucks to have to do that and take so long to buy a primary, but the game is about capital. And real estate is one of the few beautiful assets in a sea of bullshit you either 1) don't need or 2) doesn't provide any joy.
I know a lot of people on here have contempt for real estate investing but if you aren't in it, IMO, you are depriving yourself and your family of the absolute easiest way to make money and build wealth. And there are plenty of places where you don't need a ton of cash to get started.
100% of the time when a country has issued 31T in debt, it has not failed to issue more.
The $31T matters less than the fact that the buyer of last resort, who has been participating hugely in the market for decades, has judged it inadvisable to continue. This could have occurred at $3T or $300T. But it has occurred now, and this has serious implications for what the debt-issuers must do next.
We have a balance of trade deficit and our entire relative geopolitical position is based on the strength of the dollar. There of course could be consequences to us of high debt levels
I've been wondering if "low interest rates" juice the economy, or if "lowering interest rates" does. The presumption seems to be the former, but I suspect a drop in rates will eventually lead to a new equilibrium. In other words, there isn't much long term correlation between interest rates (at a particular level) and growth.
IMHO, the only reason that the US debt is not a major problem is that no country whant to see the whole economic system collapse so no one will want that debt repaid as long as the interest are paid on time. And in the eventually that the USA is unable to pay the interest on time, a deal will assuredly be brokered to avoid that catastrophic solution.
The risk isn’t the need to come up with 31$T at some point the risk is people being unwilling to lend close to the inflation rate. The US economy is addicted to a subsidy from foreign borrowers, and that changing could be seriously problematic.
Addicted might be son overstatement.
This does not seem to be true anymore.
The “US” in your comment is more than one entity. There is no single body that can just make more debt unilaterally.
In particular the spending is funded by selling Bonds, etc. to investors. Purchasers of those bonds include foreign countries, such as China.
Covid had a huge effect on the world and regardless of the various government responses they've all run into inflation issues.
The “US” in your comment is more than one entity. There is no single body that can just make more debt unilaterally.
Edit: To clarify, the “limit” to the debt is set by the market’s willingness to lend.
This was true perhaps in the 1950s to 1970s or so. It's not true today and very very not true in the last couple years. Nixon's actions back in the 70s set the slippery slope that will result in the USA no longer being dominate as a reserve currency.
What you are curious about is being a reserve currency.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_currency#Global_curren...
The advantage of being the reserve currency is that you can indeed print significant money at low inflation because so many other countries are the ones who end up paying the cost. It's not necessarily unlimited, but when you have a dominant position it can be practically unlimited wherein being able to rebase on a new reserve perhaps gold or bitcoin would still be more costly than assuming the cost of holding USD.
Which is why the euro was designed the way it is. They are effectively playing the long game. No single country controls the ability to print money and they have requirements which hurt countries who dont control their debt to gdp. Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain are all in violation but they end up having to balance their budgets in the future. Greece can never print oodles of money to inflate their way out of their debt and deficit spending. Germany and france will NEVER allow that to happen. If Greece exits the EU it'll be their own demise with >50% poverty within years of that decision.
The USA will inevitably vote themselves more money, as they currently have, and cause so much inflation than the reserve currency hurts all the others and eventually the euro will become #1. When that happens European union will become quite strong and the brits will be kicking themselves for brexit.
Nah, us americans are too smart for all that. We'll just start a nice big war.
So what you're cynically referring to is the war economy. The caveat of debt to gdp is that it's a balance. If you could take on debt and invest properly to the point that the returned GDP is greater. Then you end up lowering debt to gdp.
The caveat of the war economy is that it's not spent on yourself. The trope as it were is that the USA has been 'nation building' in the middle east and ended up neglecting back home.
For example, I am super excited to learn more about the B21 raider later this year. I expect the cost per stealth bomber will probably be around $5 billion each.
How many schools could you build with $5 billion if they decide to build just 1 less? How many roads could be built if you build 2 less?
My cynicism is more along the lines of
A. Lots of people think GDP == real wealth and can't seem to wrap their heads around our argument
B. You don't have to do better than you have been to keep the global-economic pole position, you just have to be doing better than everyone else. I'm not gonna elaborate on the rest of this, I'll leave that as a sad exercise to the reader.
I really really hope we don't start or find ourselves required to participate in a war.
A reminder that the US told the world go to fuck themselves (Nixon Shock) in 1971, and they never learned their lesson. When you take a look at the DXY in 2022, it's clear they never will.
Which is fine with me, my global purchasing power is phenomenal at the cost of literally 7 billion people who love working much harder than I do, for my benefit.
I couldn't be happier. Thanks, world.
Essentially that means we can’t raise rates past a certain point without either austerity or risking a debt spiral. If inflation is bad enough that those rates are necessary to stop it, practically it means we’re gonna have to deal with inflation until we are safe to raise rates high enough to stop it. Which also requires some austerity in the short term while we wait for debt to become a smaller portion of GDP.
Funnily enough, other countries have it even worse than us, and they’re throwing a hissy fit that we’ve raised rates where we have (already at levels they can’t match) since it weakens their currency relative to the USD. That actually appears to be our current blocker of higher rates moreso than our ability to make payments, per recent Federal Reserve activity.
My point is precisely that it only works when rates are low. When rates need to go higher you can’t spend so much of your tax base on servicing debt without bad things happening. You cannot simply let the debt mature because it gets refinanced at the current rate unless you’re running a budget surplus to reduce the principal (which is generally considered unwise compared to growing/inflating out of it).
Rates don’t stay low forever
Debt is not serviced from GDP. Debt is serviced by printing free cash (which raises inflation rates). And debt buyers buy it exactly because of inflation, with the majority of the debt actually being held by US funds (pension, endowments, etc) as a way to escape inflation with very little risk.
So this is a sort of perpetual self-balancing feedback loop. Even if the economy will go down, all of this capital still needs to be stored in some non-depreciating form. And government can always just increase inflation by simply printing more cash to service debt.
In a way, funds are also very much dependent on the government and are happy to give money in exchange for escaping inflation. And it’s government that controls the model properties.
I guess that is until there’s another super-stable government and holders can start buying their debt instead (not sure if this is regulated or not).
And I guess this is a major reason for the US to have a global monopoly on stability and try to actively destabilize emerging global powers once in a while to worsen their debt risk profiles.
I’m not an expert, so please correct me if there’s a flaw in this logic.
It’s fine to service debt with more debt if the tax base grows faster than the debt load. When you raise interest rates the debt load goes up quickly though, faster than the tax base. If you issue too much debt the only way to repay it after a certain point is more debt, which increases the monetary base, which leads to inflation. We are not at that point, but we are at the point where something has to give - either rates, government spending, or taxes - to reduce inflation.
Inflation is considered bad because nobody wants to use a currency with too much inflation. Sure the government can always print more money (actually when it’s “printed” it’s the Federal Reserve buying debt from the government with money created de novo) but runaway inflation is one of the worst possible outcomes, and past a certain point becomes the only option.
I don’t know exactly what other points you are trying to make but it’s not true that this is self-balancing. The balancing is done by the Federal Reserve in concert with the rest of the government (who set taxes and spending) through interest rates and open market operations. There is also not an infinite capacity for US debt at the rates the Fed wants which is why the Fed has to buy the debt itself sometimes.
It looks like it has never gone down in any meaningful way. [0]
Isn't that exactly the reason repayment matters?
Edit for the pedantic: I obviously mean total debt.
Any individual who has a debt would like very much to also be able to continue to borrow money indefinitely and pay the old debt without worries.
Then just look at the graph of national debt both in nominal and real value.
(from article, but not referencing content besides the chart https://seekingalpha.com/article/241751-visualizing-the-u-s-... )
There are other times U.S. has paid down debt.
The problem is we continue to issue new and more debt at higher rates so the total amount still only goes up.
I would be interested to know of a time when inflation was higher than the rate of new debt being issues in the US. Maybe in the 70s when inflation hit record highs but interest rates also hit record highs at that time.
I believe it is inflation adjusted and if the US were to 'magically' create a coin worth 31 trillion dollars, that number would go to 0 and we would be able to pay off the entire thing. There would be no more interest payments because there's no more debt to pay interest on.
Except for the fact that we still run a deficit so itd start going back up again.
I believe it isn't.
no, its not.
(1) Monetary policy doesn’t have just one purpose.
(2) Sometimes one of its purposes is to slow rather than stimulate the econony.
(3) Mostly its high-level purpose is economic stability.
2) You gotta read the thing I was replying to, and interpret my comment as a response to it, not as a standalone assertion. I think it's pretty obvious that I meant monetary policy resulting in inflation, as that's what they were complaining about, not all possible monetary policies in the abstract.
The person I was replying to was saying that inflation is bad because it dilutes the value of savings, which is therefore sorta kinda like a tax. I'm saying, that's a terrible model; a better one is that monetary policy uses inflation to stimulate investment in order to grow the economy, and doesn't care if that dilutes your savings, because it wants you to invest those savings.
If you disagree, say so, but argue with the whole thing, not with a sentence fragment taken out of context.
To state and local governments? Because they can't print money and do actually need taxes in order to spend.
It’s just regressive (the poorest are paying the most). income tax and ideally a wealth tax get the richest to pay the most.
Obviously the US could use some fixing in both regards.
What? If I have $1,000,000, inflation is 10%, and prices readjust I just lost $100k in purchasing power but if I have $1000 I lost $100 in purchasing power. Proportional taxes aren't regressive. Inflation hits wage earners hardest because it lags behind prices but that's not the same thing.
Any person with $1,000 is living paycheck to paycheck and has no choice but to keep it in cash (if they can keep it at all).
So really you have to compare $1,000,000 in bonds/averaged stock performance to $1,000 of income per month.
The latter is far more impacted as the cost of gas and food increases 10%.
With no taxes all government expenditure would be printed money. That would mean the monetary base increases by the government spending per year. That hasn’t been a problem until recently because only a portion of the government was funded this way, and increasing the monetary base wasn’t (until it did) causing inflation above Fed targets.
Let’s say government spending is 25% of GDP. The federal reserve has our monetary base at around 5.5T out of 20T GDP currently. So we’d have to double our monetary base to fund the government this way for one year. This would cause very high inflation - we basically did fund the government 50% this way for 2 years because of COVID and look where that got us. Imagine inflation then with 100% funding in this manner over long periods.
"the results of every study except two find a negative relationship between high levels of government debt and economic growth"
Financial assets actually do great in inflationary environments. Most people don’t have any.
Why do you think most Americans can’t afford housing?
Most peoples wages won’t even be close to increasing 10%/yr for a decade.
> Most peoples wages won’t even be close to increasing 10%/yr for a decade.
It's only because you aren't used to such inflation. Once the cycle kicks in, wages start increasing accordingly. I know it first-hand after living in a country with high inflation.
If you are living not in a closed off country, there will be more successful countries out there, so if you won't increase the wages of the workers they'll leave for other economies (or just work remotely), thus, reducing the workforce supply, which drives up wages.
(At least until they raise the interest rate to match inflation)
GDP would be one of the better metrics to compare against [1] since it serves as a taxable base for the US government.
Oh for sure. history has many examples. Greece and Venezuela are your more recent ones. Basically it goes up until the bankers and funds no longer want your debt. THEN the consequences happen.
when the government debt to gdp reaches above 100%, like too many countries have, then credit ratings start dropping. Absolutely nothing will get in your way to pump that up to 200%. The lenders don't care if you're making a terrible decision or not; just whether or not you keep paying. At around 200% is when you struggle to keep paying and your credit rating shifts to junk and nobody wants your debt anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xguam0TKMw8
We know how this story ends, yet we seem helpless to do something different. Why?
A 30y treasury doesn't need to be refinanced/paid back for 30 years, 10y for 10 years etc.
A smart Treasury would have locked in a lot of the debt in longer dated treasuries back when they were yielding 1% or less. This would have made the debt payments largely fixed, regardless of Fed hikes. Unfortunately from what I've heard, they are mostly financing through the fed funds/overnight rate.
So yes, US debt service costs are more variable than they could have been. But maybe somebody can chime in with hard numbers
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=UtqF
Interest payments relative to federal tax receipts are at multi-decade lows.
Some other important points to remember:
- $5.7 trillion of the debt is held by the Federal Reserve. The interest that they earn on this is passed back to the US Treasury. It effectively "doesn't count" except for whatever minor operating costs the Fed takes out.
- Inflation has risen faster than rates have risen. This means federal tax receipts will likely rise faster than interest payments as well.
It'll take some time before the current debt needs to be replaced at the higher rate. We've had artificially low rates for the past 14 years. I argue that spending 20% of tax revenue on interest alone is grossly irresponsible. We still need to pay out the face value of those treasuries too.
> $5.7 trillion of the debt is held by the Federal Reserve. The interest that they earn on this is passed back to the US Treasury. It effectively "doesn't count" except for whatever minor operating costs the Fed takes out.
It "doesn't count" if you ignore the accelerating wealth disparity in our society.
The parent asked about how interest rates affect the burden of servicing the debt. That is the sense in which it literally "doesn't count" -- interest paid by the Treasury to the Fed is returned by the Fed to the Treasury as distributed earnings.
The fed is not rolling over its government debt portfolio into new debt at higher rates. Rather it is undergoing quantitative tightening selling off/allowing bonds to mature.
Can you explain your reasoning here? It seems wrong to me.
The Fed has stated in speeches that they are planning on keeping trillions of securities as assets on their balance sheet. These will continue to earn billions in interest per year. Further, they do not directly "pay out interest" -- they pay out their net income to the Treasury. Rising rates on US debt does not increase what the Fed has to pay out to the Treasury except indirectly if they purchase more higher-earning assets.
https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/reserve-balanc...
While they do own assets on their balance sheet, these assets have a fixed interest rate. The interest rates stays the same as it was when they bought it. When the fed was buying these treasuries during QE, rates were very low. Less than a percent, less than even half a percent for a while. The interest rate on these interest earning assets, while it is nominally billions of dollars, will stay flat. Meanwhile, the interest it pays out to banks will increase and increase and increase.
If no profit will be available, no remittances will be paid to the treasury.
And, wow, I did not know the IORB rate had gotten so high.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BOGMBBM
I think you are correct. With $3+ trillion in reserve balances, which aren't really expected to go down too much, the reserve interest payments are going to eat up a ton of the Fed's income.
So, it won’t happen immediately; interest payments will gradually rise over the next several years.
They are absolutely thrilled for me to have a balance on my credit card of as much as I please (up to the debt limit), as long as I make my minimum payment each month.
To make up this difference, the treasury department has to sell bonds. As the FFR increases, so do the yields on treasuries. Our annual interest payments on federal debt is ~400B. That's over HALF our military budget for some perspective.
If inflation proves to be sticky, what happens if bond yields get pushed up to 10% ? Well, now congress has to borrow at 10% interest. That next 1T+ deficient would cost our country an extra 100B+ per year in coupon payments...AND we still owe the principle on those bonds when they expire. In the volcker era, we had to push interest rates up to almost 20%.
Our government has been incredibly irresponsible with managing our debt. Problem is fixing it seems impossible. We'd need to increase taxes AND cut social services. Can you imagine how painful that would be? Any politician who tried to tackle this issue would become the most hated person in America.
[1]: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/07/27/projectin...
Gold, silver, Euro, Yen, Bitcoin... they got nothing.
[1]: https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-REB-2108
[2]: https://observer.com/2008/10/durst-to-add-extra-trillion-dol...
https://www.thebalancemoney.com/who-owns-the-u-s-national-de...
US debt is basically like "big-boy cash".
The FDIC only insures deposits of cash up to 250k, so US debt is basically like "big-boy cash".
Edit: I’m surprised people were able to even read this post before they downvoted it. I don’t mind downvotes, but at least comment why I’m wrong please.
Currency appreciation dumps exports and pumps assets/services. You know how "we used to make shit in this country, build shit. Now we just stick our hand in the next guy's pocket"? Yeah, that's what currency appreciation does (or, more specifically: reserve currency status where we can/must run a current account deficit without seeing the usual depreciation). Economists call it "Dutch Disease" because they first described it in the Dutch empire, but it happened to the British and American empires too. Think of it like a resource curse, but the resource is finance. It's good for people with fat brokerage accounts, it's good for Wall St, but if you earn your money by building regular shit for regular people, it's bad news for you.
I agree with your conclusion -- our taxation and monetary policy is run for the benefit of wealthy Americans at the expense of poor Americans -- I just think you have the particular issue of currency devaluation a bit backwards. I didn't downvote, but I imagine this is why someone else did.
If you're unwilling to interrogate your own beliefs, that makes them come off as shallow. We've all heard fiscally conservative talking heads prattle on about the debt. What we want is insight as to the accuracy or coherence of these ideas, not just a rote regurgitation.
What effective control does the working class have over the national debt if both major parties have continued to raise it no matter what candidate is put foward? And anyway, how does it benefit the cash-strapped working poor to vote to raise its own taxes so that the debt held by rich bondholders can be paid off. I'm not even saying you're wrong, I'm just saying, make it make sense. Or don't, it's not your obligation to do so. But don't be surprised by downvotes in that case.
If you didn't make the payments because you were just irresponsible, people are less likely to lend you money in the future. That's a big problem if you depend on people loaning you money.
as long as those assets continue to outgain the cost of inflation.
see greece, latin america, russia, etc etc
It is observed that sovereign borrowers that inflate their way out of debt find their ability to borrow in the local currency reduced. They may still be able to borrow USD, though. Argentina in particular comes to mind, with something around 50% of total government debt denominated in USD [0]. Even Russia appears to have $40B in USD or EUR debt (private borrowers in Russia have another $100B or so) [1]. Of course, they can still outright renege on this USD denominated debt but it removes the option of inflating it away.
[0] - https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2021/august/dollar... [1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/15/business/russia-debt-bond...
The US is a military, technological, energy & food producing powerhouse. The alternatives are either getting their asses handed to them in a war against their much smaller neighbor or facing a massive demographics crisis
That's called inflation, and the public really doesn't like it. Economists don't actually like it either, nor do governments like it to be too high as that can lead to lots of big problems.
So, if the payments are easily made, then this isn't a problem?
In the future, continuing to spend as rates go up would be progressively less wise as the rates increase, but "solving" debt spending is not nearly the crisis some people seem to think it is.
The US is not operating under the same rules as your personal finances.
Another rule to use is that not all spending is treated equally. The country going in to debt to fund projects that boost economic activity (typically measured as GDP) is not the same as the country going in to debt for a different class of projects, for example. Often times we look at national debt but we don't have a great mechanism for evaluating return on that debt.
People keep saying this and it’s not really true. Even MMT really can be translated to personal finances.
Here is the simple explanation:
Households and individuals consume the goods they buy. Some excess goes towards investments.
Governments do not consume. Building a road/bridge/building/dam is an investment to “have the nation make more money”.
Even when government spends money on “dumb things” a F35 while over paying significantly, it’s an investment. Even if this project doesn’t become “something” itself it can still be a huge national investment. 1. The people who worked on it will spend the money they earned. 2. The people got training that was useful. 3. Technology likely progressed in many small ways that aren’t the end product (eg better wind tunnel simulation, or better GPS chips) and even by learning “what not to do next time”. That said, obviously the government should always aim for better investments rather than worse investments.
Imagine a household that kept taking debt to buy houses and renting those out. As long as the ratio of TotalRent:TotalDebt was healthy at N-1 houses, then the same TotalRent:TotalDebt ratio for N houses continues to be healthy.
No money ever spent on consumption, only on investment. Therefore NationalGDP:NationalDebt is the ratio to watch for. That is how you understand national finances and relate it back to your experience.
Additionally, the household could only have 5 houses in the same neighborhood. So a financial shock could hit it badly. The nation has X TT of investments that are all distributed across city centers, rural areas, and even digital. It’s not just diversified, it is the whole pie.
A large enough shock to cause a destabilization of the NationalGDP:NationalDebt for a country as large as the USA is roughly enumerated as: an extinction event (or close enough), a second US civil war, or a declaration of active war against the USA on US soil. It could also happen because of terribly large scale corruption but it’s unlikely at the scale of the USA.
Even if it was, your average person takes on debt equal to maybe 400%-500% their “GDP” when they obtain a mortgage.
I don't want to work for the government 4 months/year if we can just rack up infinite debt and be fine.
The people with enough economics/finance education to understand the mechanic are typically on the side where they benefit (enough income to invest in assets that appreciate from our debt & monetary policies). The people who suffer often don't have the time to study this stuff in depth, and when they do they often find socialist/communist information much more attractive and "truthful" emotionally. Unfortunately that content usually confers a really bad understanding of financial mechanics and so people who are on the side that benefits can use said misunderstanding abusively. For example, AOC openly supports MMT. Either she's blissfully unaware of the way that would increase the wealth disparity by pushing up the value of financial assets, or she's aware and is actually as sinister as republicans portray her. I tend to think it's the former.
I’d much prefer ignorance over outright manipulation.
I poked around on google, and it looks like China has around 50% Debt to GDP ratio , Japan had something like 250%, and Russia's was around 20%. I have no idea what I should conclude from this -- other than I don't think it's possible for someone to foreclose on the US for not paying it's debt --- and that if we had massive inflation, and Debt is not inflation adjusted you could drastically reduce the debt -- but you'd have to increase the interest rate on new debt you were issuing.
Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/270329/national-debt-of-...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_...
Seems to me they use the term because it works better politically
2000–55%
2008–68%
2016–105%
2020–129%
2022–123%
2000: 6.6 months
2008: 8.2 months
2016: 12.6 months
2020: 15.5 months
2022: 14.8 months
Now that GDP is recovering, we are falling back onto the trend line towards higher and higher Debt/GDP.
So a lot of ignored dollars stopped being ignored even though, in reality, nothing really changed.
Macro analyst Luke Gromen likes to point out that non discretionary expenditures (entitlement PAYGOs + interest on the debt + TGA drawdowns) already equals more than 100% of tax reciepts. Meaning even if we had focused politicians who were aggressively cuttting (which we don't), even at our elevated tax receipts, it would be structurally impossible to get back to a budget surplus without structural changes. Again, this does not bode well for the likely event where tax receipts fall off of a cliff next year.
If anything, it's a good argument that despite all the tough talk, the Fed cannot keep rates elevated for too long.
Government spending. The government (or FED) are the only ones that can spend more money into existence.
Just imagine what will happen if the government starts to seriously make big changes to reduce that debt. Deflation is my guess, unless the FED prints to counteract them. In which case the "debt" just changes hands.
A bigger crisis is the looming social security and Medicare trust running dry and benefits needing to be cut by 25%. It's scheduled to happen within the decade.
We have had ineffective and irresponsible leadership in this country for a very long time, nearly my entire lifetime. Unfortunately, the factors that lead to these irresponsible leaders getting elected are only accelerating, so I don't feel positively about the future state of US national debt or fiscal responsibility.
Second, inflation continually pushes the value of debt down over time.
Third, the US economy continues to grow, which allows for increased government revenue which allows for servicing an increasingly large debt.
Tracking debt in nation state currency is spoken tradition, not immutable law of science.
Carrying forward spoken tradition about debts of the past is not an obligation of us or the future.
Just because some apes wrote an IOU down doesn’t bind my sensibilities and agency to serving that IOU. If I’m not mistaken outside parties are not beholden to contracts they did not sign in our legal system. So no law of physics and no law of man obliges me to care about the burden others agree to carry.
Go ahead and come collect, China. We’ll just nuke each other into the Stone Age. The real gap is a thing; we can close ports and make ephemeral debts a non-issue really fast.
Headlines like this are to remind people who believe in such things to not forget some debt they don’t owe serving.
Euro - sunk by energy concerns and war
Yuan - sunk by China's isolation from global community
Yen/Pound - sunk by being too much like America without the clout
Gold/Silver/Crypto - never got off the launch pad as a global pricing mechanism
the world has no choice but to embrace the USD
Everyone learns inside a fraudulent system so thats what they know. It's a giant echo chamber.
Here come the down votes.
It's not like the money is going anywhere. Everyone is hoarding.
Hey i gambled away all the money you gave me. Cool here have some more.
Taxes on the middle and upper middle class are still at Reagan-era lows and there is no chance they’ll ever be increased.
When a company becomes unsustainable, they have to make tradeoffs and get smarter about their expenses. The government just grows and grows and grows.
They should have to cut the fat like everyone else and get more efficient.
As with other facilities, the Fed invoked Section 13(3) and received permission from the U.S. Treasury, which through the CARES Act put $75 billion into the three Main Street Programs to cover losses....
You were saying?
“ The Federal Reserve established the Main Street Lending Program (Program) to support lending to small and medium-sized for profit businesses and nonprofit organizations that were in sound financial condition before the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic.”
What’s “Wall Street?”
- Inflation reduction act is a joke. All it does is add more inflation, increase regulation and costs, and increase government spending.
- Student loan forgiveness what an absolute disaster of an idea and a terrible message to send. My tax dollars are now going to six figure millennials (if married up to 250k income) to pay for their bachelor of arts degree. Where is my free money for college that I had to pay for?
That would be very convenient for the ruling class, after all most of the printed money was handed out to them. This would result in some form of feudal system.
Right now government either has to hand out money to workers directly or tax the rich further.