The point here is that someone shouldn't be able to decide, in the course of 5 seconds, to engage in a permanent decision like this.
The reason being, that people make mistakes in the course of 5 seconds, that they regret.
So, instead of that, we should be pretty sure before allowing people to make such permanent decision.
Such as, for example, by having a doctor talk to the person.
This is why the OP mentioned the TV show Futurama.
Because in the comedy TV show, people could decide in 5 seconds to do that.
And the reason why it was in a comedy TV show, is because that is bad, and absurd, and that's why it is funny.
Is it a right or not?
> we should be pretty sure
In what sense is it a right if someone else has to agree to it?
Really?
Or are you just hyper focusing on an irrelevant dictionary definition of the single word "right", that nobody else was using?
That is why I said you were being obtuse.
You focusing on a single word is missing the point, and I don't know why you would focus on the word like that.
Yeah really. What right should I have to tell them to do something or not do something with their own body and life?
Because, if you had ever spoken to anyone who has felt suicidal, you will see that most of them admit that they have had couple second lapses in judgement and are extremely glad that they did not have a 5 second suicide button that they could press.
So, me, being someone who actually cares about these people, and who has spoken to them, know that most people who are suicidal do not want to be given this option.
You would know this if you had ever spoken to someone in your life, ever, who has had depressive or suicidal thoughts.
Actually I'm a trustee of a registered charity that provides support to people with a wide range of serious welfare and mental health issues and have dealt with them in practice multiple times, providing a great deal of support from my own personal time to people struggling.
I'm sorry that you made an incorrect assumption. I'm afraid that I find it's pretty typical among people who think they should have a right to control others.
Do you have any friends who have attempted suicide, failed, and now regret the attempt immensely?
Do you wish they had succeeded in their suicide attempt?
I am talking about a situation where they regret the decision, are alive now, and are glad that they are alive, and that the attempt failed.
For that situation, do you think they should have died, even though now they admit that it was a mistake and are glad that they didn't go through with it?
> I have been for the last 15 years
This wasn't about a situation where someone has made a decision, and been certain of it for years.
Instead, if you read the conversation, it was about if someone should be able to make a quick, decision, within literally 5 seconds.
Do you understand how giving someone a decision, in this short a period of time, is extremely different than if someone has thought about the situation for a long time, and is very certain?
As the other person said, stop being obtuse.
People should have a right to be as selfish as they want with their own bodies. You don't owe anyone else a responsibility to live.
Suicide is a serious decision with serious consequences. It should be treated as such, not as some flimsy debate topic about bodily autonomy.
Have some empathy and tact when discussing such serious topics.
I get that you don't agree with me. But having a different opinion doesn't make me obtuse. That's just slinging around an insult.
You choosing to ignore it all is, plain and simple, obtuse. Period. If you don't want to be called obtuse, don't be obtuse.
Good day, then. Talking to you is clearly useless.
The vast majority of people who attempt suicide actually regret it afterwards, and have no deep desire to die. Making it hard to actually kill yourself is an extremely important safety net for these people, who outnumber the terminally ill who actually wish to die by a large margin.
Not to mention, people can be compelled to attempt suicide by social pressure, either in bullying or by family members who view them as a burden. Having to go through a neutral third party who can help make sure you actually deeply desire this step is critical to protect you from others.