And don't forget that when Russians still thought they're going to win, they brought in mobile crematoriums and started filtrating people and sending them off to Siberia if not torturing and murdering them. It was never a question of "no war and survive" VS "die in war" - but "no war, die anyways" VS "war, possibly survive"
Certainly this is not true of Crimea, where people have been independently polled by Western NGOs and the weight of the evidence is they want to be part of Russia.
> It was never a question of "no war and survive" VS "die in war" - but "no war, die anyways" VS "war, possibly survive"
Your thesis is that if Russia won they would murder a substantial %-ge of the population in mobile crematoriums?
You mean "a very slightly bigger half of them", right? And that was before all this shit went down and Russians started to mobilize them. I wonder how they feel now, don't you?
> Your thesis is that if Russia won they would murder a substantial %-ge of the population in mobile crematoriums?
Nah, my thesis is that Russia started with it immediately.
Closer to 83% but I agree it has probably trended substantially downward in recent months.
> Nah, my thesis is that Russia started with it immediately.
Why didn't they do this mass murder in Crimea or Donetsk once they got effective control?
At the beginning and through most of the invasion they Russian stance was that Ukrainians are a fake people and don’t actually exist. If I was getting invaded by a group saying my people weren’t real I probably wouldn’t give them the benefit of the doubt that they’d treat me well or let me live if I laid down Armstrong
My question was merely on the claim that Russia desired to murder & cremate some >1% of the Ukrainian population.
> It was never a question of "no war and survive" VS "die in war" - but "no war, die anyways" VS "war, possibly survive"
Especially if, like most groups of humans as were tribal, the dissolution of your tribe is almost equivalent to not surviving
I view this as dehumanizing. I would rather live and not be an American than die while being an American. I suspect most people are the same.
Humans are tribal on average. I also suspect that there are >zero groups of which you are a member, that you wouldn’t be willing to make sacrifices for.
It may be the case that you personally are an outlier, but it doesn’t change the group dynamics and we are discussing aggregate group behavior and their in this thread, not specific individuals