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I'm old enough to have had all of the childhood diseases in childhood, with pneumonia and an ulcer thrown in (grade school was stressful I guess). Skip all of the vaccines and boosters you want, but be prepared for a couple of years of concern about sick kids. And some of the effects can last a lifetime.
“Evil” is the wrong word, and is an attempt to simplify ad absurdum the reasons someone might not want the vaccine. These are some of the things that the Covid vaccines were, which those other vaccines aren’t:
- Months old
- New technology, more or less
- Subject to strange, changing messaging: it’ll protect you, then it won’t, then don’t wear a mask, then do, then maybe it won’t protect others, then there’s a (first, second) booster required and you still need a mask.
This can all be explained by science, I’m sure. But it’s disingenuous to pretend nothing was unique about the Covid vaccine to give people legitimate pause.
We make all sorts of things medical and otherwise by adapting biochemistry. Nobody seemed to mind before.
Previous post edit: Freudian slip, meant to convey unfavorable, but typed averse.
>The concept of using mRNA to produce useful proteins to fight disease has been around for decades. But until now, no vaccines using this technology have made it this far in clinical trials. The success of the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines “is really good for the RNA field, because until very recently, there were just a handful of people who really believed in mRNA vaccines,”
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/the-promise-of-mr...
But it could have been. If the switch from delta to omicron went worse instead of better things would have turned out bad. I’m not comfortable playing at such high stakes. The virus just reproduces when and how it can.
Yep! If Covid was bad, people would have reacted as such.
> But it could have been
But it wasn’t! Hooray!
Six million dead.
Is the threshold in that specific neurone of yours really set to a level such that any $foo "not as bad as ebola" is always failing the "if $foo was bad" test?
> > But it could have been
> But it wasn’t! Hooray!
Same argument applies to Russian roulette.
Strange game. No idea why people chose to play it, not even metaphorically.
If we counted flu deaths like we counted COVID deaths (i.e. anyone testing positive who died, died of covid), you would have a similar, terrifying death count for the flu. But people still wouldn't be afraid of it.
Not because they're stupid, but because your measurement ("six million dead"!) fails to capture the reality of the situation: the chance of a healthy under 70 dying of covid was negligible. And people behaved logically given this reality.
Not what you think it means, judging by the fact you consider that to be a talking point.
Hint: "Life expectancy" at any age is always higher than that age, because it excludes people who died before reaching that age.
> If we counted flu deaths like we counted COVID deaths (i.e. anyone testing positive who died, died of covid),
That's a fairly substantial misunderstanding even in just the USA: https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-c...
The world is much bigger than just the USA, and does not have any interest in conspiracies like that, with nations that hate each other reporting fairly similar results.
But let's just pretend all those numbers are meaningless. The obvious alternative measure is excess mortality. If I went by excess mortality rate, the number would be 9.5 to 18.6 million. But not, just in case you were going to go there, from the lockdowns.
Conversely, the statistics show that vaccines prevented about 14.4-19.8 million deaths.
But you know what, let's ignore that too.
When you say:
> the chance of a healthy under 70 dying of covid was negligible. And people behaved logically given this reality.
If one really think those risks count as negligible, why be afraid of the vaccines? Every vaccine anyone is allowed to offer to you is a lower risk than the disease. This is true for COVID, it is true for seasonal influenza, it is true for measles. That's how the various drug and medicine safety organisations worldwide work, what they are for, and the fundamental point of them.
I don't know if you read your link, but it makes my point perfectly. As a practical matter, the only people that died with covid were those so frail that they would have died anyway. This has always been the case for other mild but highly transmissible illnesses, such as the flu. It seems clear to me that if it wasn't for the unprecedented manner by which these deaths were attributed, the pandemic would have been indistinguishable from a bad flu season.
"Every vaccine anyone is allowed to offer to you is a lower risk than the disease." ... "That's how the various drug and medicine safety organisations worldwide work, what they are for, and the fundamental point of them."
And that's why they have objectively failed. You don't account for incompetent or corrupt authorities. Or that different products, both called "vaccine" can have different risks and benefits. The covid vaccine is nothing like the measles vaccines, by any metric.
"If one really think those risks count as negligible, why be afraid of the vaccines?"
... The risk of covid being negligible puts an upper limit on the potential benefit of the vaccine, but says nothing about it's safety. The risk of the vaccine is not zero, and for certain groups, ie. Young men, is quite significant (and no, not exceeded by covid).
By directly contradicting you? No, I don't think I've misread it, I think you saw a few key words and decided you were right all along.
> It seems clear to me that if it wasn't for the unprecedented manner by which these deaths were attributed, the pandemic would have been indistinguishable from a bad flu season.
It's about six or seven times worse than influenza, and influenza is only tolerated because of the human tenancy to treat bad things we grew up with as inevitable.
> And that's why they have objectively failed. You don't account for incompetent or corrupt authorities
The authorities generally agreeing with each other does this for me.
They do not have a reason to cooperate in a conspiracy, several are of nations actively at war with each other.
> The risk of the vaccine is not zero,
Absolutist attitudes are a common cognitive bias, but an unhelpful and unhealthy one.
"Zero risk"? That's not how reality works. And furthermore…
> and for certain groups, ie. Young men, is quite significant (and no, not exceeded by covid).
… are you familiar with the difference between "statistically significant" and "large"?
The graphs in what you linked to are showing that the big spike in cases peaks at… 10 extra acute coronary syndrome calls per week, and 3 extra cardiac arrest calls per week.
The COVID IFR for men between 20 and 24 is 0.008%, and between 25-39 is 0.017% so I'm going to approximate the average for 18-31 as the mean of those because I don't have the actual number.
The male population of Israel in that age range is about 780k, which means that without vaccination the disease would have killed about 97.5 Israeli men in that age range.
Versus the literally dozens you're citing as a reason to be terrified.
Also, the vaccines that have been traditionally required for school are proven to “work” in the sense that they immunize one against the disease, thus eliminating spread.
The COVID vaccines don’t do that. Most people who get COVID these days are vaccinated, and they still spread it.
Now a ton of weird heart issues are starting up in younger populations that weren’t at serious risk anyway. This isn’t science. It’s attempt to control people.
It should have been encouraged but not forced.
It’s completely evil how this topic was used to divide the nation.
The pushers of antivaxx perhaps, but even then the meme itself (bear with me) is strong enough that there were numerous enough anti-vaxxers to make a difference (and I'm not just counting COVID here).
For why the meme alone makes it important to be kind: Just because I can only explain the pushers with conflict theory and neo-phobia, and just because I find those things to be incomprehensible, (1) sane people can still be convinced by such people (my MMR was delayed because whatshisname did actually get published), and (2) it's common enough to count as part of the human condition.
Still, kindness doesn't stop bank robbers, scammers, violent criminals, and I don't hold any hope that it will stop anti-vaxxers.