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Fadell: "I couldn’t have built the iPod, iPhone, or Nest without Arm"

Yes, he did lead the team that built the first hardware manifestations of iPhone.

Software-wise though, there seems to have been a conflict between Fadell and Forstall. Forstall thankfully won.

I mean, have a look at the video in this article:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/6/14188624/apple-prototype-i...

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edit: parent comment asked "not sure what value Arm is getting from this" but this was later removed. My comment below was answering that.

Tony is one of the few people out there who’s got a deep and broad understanding of how all the pieces need to work together. Marketing, sales, supply chain, software Eng, product marketing…etc. He’s just as comfortable talking about the details of a new microcontroller as he is talking about the marketing implications downstream from it. That’s the value Arm is getting from this.

Yeah, I had a strong reaction to his claiming all the credit for those products. A simple change from I to we makes all the difference. But I guess that's part of why he's on the board of arm and I'm not :)

agreed re: Forstall, but the guy clearly did an amazing job hardware-wise... don't know anything about him personally, but he must be pretty god damn competent.

I wonder if they should bring him back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw4RrcPxBIk

Though Cook had his reasons for firing. https://www.businessinsider.com/tim-cook-why-i-fired-scott-f...

Clearly, Forestall was a bit of a dick.

But I wonder if CEO should also be able to harness diversity in personality and style.

Hey, it worked when they brought back Jobs!

There’s a difference between harnessing diversity of personality and empowering an asshole.

If someone’s personality is “being a dick to people” and you have a choice for someone similarly talented who isn’t a dick to other people, what benefit is the personality trait of “is a dick”?

People have this obsession with the idea that people are successful because of their being a dick rather than in spite of it, and there is not evidence that being an asshole is the cause of success. There is plenty of evidence showing the damage it can cause.

We can compare to Bunnie Huang and Jim Keller, both of whom get important, difficult things done and are far on the other side.

I've had friends work for him and they described him as a hard driving, awful tyrant and generally an asshole. He's clearly intelligent but his personality seems like a bit of a tire fire. The Forstall thing makes more sense in that context, at least to me.

I wonder if Fadell is similar in his own way, from what it sounds like, Nest was a very top-down, stringent environment, which is why it didn't play well with the more open and casual Google after acquisition.

Ah I was referring to Fadell but I understand the ambiguity now.

Ah. Then that proves my suspicions about Nest.

I wonder how Forstall is as a leader, then.

I think it may also depend on your role in the company. I knew someone who worked in marketing at Nest both before and after Fadell's departure. We met a little bit after he'd left and they were struggling a bit because they had essentially felt that they just needed to tailor their work to his taste and it didn't really matter what anyone else thought. Things got harder without that strong personality at the top and more people to please (with arguably worse taste). They were perhaps just short of a true believer, but they did have a lot of respect for him. On the other hand, it didn't seem like he drove the marketing team nearly as hard as the engineers. The media reports that followed his departure described something bordering on a reign of terror that my friend didn't exactly deny but didn't seem to have been subjected to directly.

I’ve heard the same about people who worked directly with Fadell.

However, your last comment made me LOL because Forstall had the same reputation!

Depends whether you are thinking of the screen wheel version or the physical wheel version, I think the physical controls could have lead to a better end product. I think we have touchscreen stockholm syndrome, they're not good until you've adapted for years.

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