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Comment by chimerasaurus | Hacker News Reader

I love my Framework.

I do wish, however, they took the time they used to release a Chromebook and focused it into other product releases (Ryzen, better screen.) The Chromebook play has also left me wondering if they've lost their way on core strategy.

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I'm pretty happy with the Chromebook thing even though I'll probably never buy one, as apparently passing Google's test suite for Chromebook certification led to several firmware fixes that will help power consumption during sleep for the non-Chromebook models, which is my biggest annoyance with mine.

I used to feel that way re Ryzen, but 12th and 13th gen Intel has matched it (and with E-cores has exceeded it in many respects).

What do you mean by "matched" or "exceeded"? Are you saying Intel has better performance per watt? Or better idle power consumption? Which Zen generation are you comparing to? Zen 3, 3+, or 4?

Raptor Lake is roughly equivalent in perf/watt to Zen 4 and Apple's M series, at least going by eco mode benchmarks. Seems like E cores would get better idle consumption as well.

The days of 14nm+++++++ are over.

edit: sorry meant Raptor Lake.

I have a hard time believing that Intel is beating Apple Silicon in performance per watt.

So did I until I saw the Cinebench numbers at 65W.

So why not link them?

Mostly because I can't find them with a quick Google search and I don't want to put more time into it.

edit: found them: https://www.club386.com/intel-core-i9-13900k-vs-amd-ryzen-9-...

M1 ultra Cinebench is 21700 or so.

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