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"These technologies come with no compromise on safety. All SEA-M-based vehicles will meet global five-star safety standards as well as top safety pick requirements from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS)."

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If I recall correctly, collision testing is only done between vehicles of equivalent size. I do not for the life of me know why that is, but it's a pretty big problem for the safety standards.

This thinking makes US keep moving towards driving literal tanks on the road.

It would be great if we could end this arms race of bigger and bigger cars - they're less efficient, worse for pedestrians (bad sight lines and likeliness of injury if hit), take up more space and most of all - completely unnecessary in most cases!

ahhh, I read too fast. Thank you for this.

is there still any way you'd want to get in this? there's not anything manual and it's honestly a huge statistical gamble riding around in this thing. Even with airbags, why would you risk your life? At least a steering wheel and pedals for example so you could take over if you need to. There's no way you would be safe in the middle of an intersection if someone came flying through a red light, which as a conscious being you could see from a distance when you look both ways as far as you can see. You'd be like oh snap someone is flying the car's not gonna stop! Current state of autonomous driving is not sophisticated enough to predict erratic human behavior. An example is a car crossing over your lane that's turning left from oncoming traffic without any stop signs/lights. Human drivers will sometimes cross at the very last second turn on the brakes at the last second, cut you off at the last second, and the car will probably slam on the brakes so hard it will send you from the second row to the first row or break your neck from whiplash even if you're only going 20-30mph, it's a hard stop.

> Current state of autonomous driving is not sophisticated enough to predict cars crossing lanes that's turning and crossing your lane from oncoming traffic.

This is just completely false. AV software stacks absolutely can and do predict off-nominal behavior like you describe. In general they predict better than humans, too.

you're literally talking about using a lidar and some object detection (for car and other large objects) to predict human behavior. you obviously don't realize that the human behavior is in the other car with eyeballs, mouth, head movement, body movement. that part is not being tracked. that part is human behavior. and that's where the car movements start. so everything that the "AV" is predicting is super old information because the human is full seconds ahead of doing whatever the computer is reacting to later by seeing a large object move seconds after the human brain has caluclated it's behavior. the computer is not solving the human part which you claim it does.

this is something that humans do seamlessly and you don't realize because you're probably robot. but we look eachother in the eyes, hand wave, point, etc. not always (these are the asshole drives) but you get the point. humans are superior and always will be until it's completely computer cars on the road that are networked so they can be networked the same way humans are networked to gether.

The computer sees cars that are going to run red lights, at great distances, with complete certainty, and without overlooking any of them. The example you have chosen is one in which the self-driving system is indisputably superior.

the transitions are so off an irregular that you're gonna get hit or rear ended

are you a robot or real person? i'm jc . when you're merging into a right lane from a left lane for example on a two lane road the av cannot tell if the person is gonna let you in. humans are supreior because we can communicate with eachother and you can predict what the other car will do because you can see a persons eyeballs, body lang, etc and communicate with them without words which we all do as we drive. hand waves, pointing, head nods, etc. a computer has no fucking idea. and unitl they're all networked or something it's gonna be hard.

dude literally watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJD5R_yQ9aw where a car is stopping in busy road trying to merge into the next lane. are you serious?

the tech is so bad still

Alas, essentially 100% of accidents happen with a human behind the wheel. Humans vastly overestimate their ability to avoid accidents when in control

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