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This is entirely the wrong priority.

  I’ve been speaking to app & website developers about BrowserID 
  and Apps for a few weeks, and the feedback has been great — 
  webdevs & entrepreneurs are very aware of the dangers of relying
  on Facebook, Google, or Apple as the bridges to distribution or users.

I think the dangers of "relying on Facebook" et al are thoroughly outweighed by the effects of those entities taking the web hostage, transforming it into an oligarchy with inappropriate influence on the government as well as the daily web surfing activities of their users.

What we need from you, Mozilla, is not "a better way to sign in", or better support for whatever your vision of a web app store is. We need Web Intents (http://webintents.org/), or your iteration of it. We need you to create a kick-ass UI for this. We need you to help take back the web before it succumbs to mega corporations entirely. Please, Mozilla, have the foresight to recognize what's really at stake here.

Mozilla is contributing to the Web Intents standardization and implementation effort, and in fact Mozilla's Open Web Apps project and Web Intents are being designed to work together and to benefit each other greatly (just as BrowserID and Open Web Apps are being designed to benefit each other).

To be more concrete: When a web page uses an intent like "upload a photo", Firefox will check to see if any of your "apps" support that intent. For example, if Flickr has an OWA app and you have already installed it, then Firefox will instantly ask if you want to choose one of your Flickr photos to upload. If you click an intent that the browser doesn't already have a handler for, it can offer to install an app from the web to handle the intent.

Open Web Apps is part of the infrastructure to turn Web Intents from a low-level API into a complete user experience. And BrowserID is also part of that integrated experience. (In the full vision for BrowserID where the browser manages your identities, you can do things like install an app and be "logged in" instantly without creating an account or typing a password.)

I just hope Web Intents makes it into the actual release - and in a way that is usable by normal users. Seems to me this should be a priority, instead of putting all that effort into yet another single sign-on fantasy.

If this happens as part of a large integrated experience as you promised that's fine, but I fear that you are taking on too much, going for a complex and over-engineered package that may never be ready or actually usable, instead of concentrating on this one single important thing which really needs to get done.

I used to share your skepticism about single sign-on. I'm actually quite bullish about BrowserID because it uses concepts that both users and websites are very familiar with (email, 'validated email addresses'), and works it in a flow that feels very much like facebook connect. It's really neat rather than overengineered IMO (and I can say that because I didn't do any of the engineering ;-).

Similarly, the apps project is a lot about recognizing what mobile apps did well, and filling in the gaps in the web (stores, receipts, APIs) that will make it possible for people to translate their mobile appdev skills into the broader web.

I think we agree?

browserid & apps & intents-or-something-like-it are all mutually reinforcing, IMO.

I've seen announcements for Firefox 9 all day. However, when I go to the website I only see 8.

  http://mozilla.com

As far as I know, there were some problems with an add-on so they're waiting until things are fixed. However, I could be completely wrong about that. You can get it here (although this will put you on the beta track, which will soon be 10): http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/beta/

I'm seeing Fx9 now on Windows, no need for the beta.

The Windows release went out as planned; only OSX was held up.

From what I saw this is because a good portion of the Mozilla staff is away for the holiday so they're actually doing the official release in the first week or so of January once they're up to staff. They don't want to do any kind of major release and run into issues when they're down in numbers.

For me, http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/new/ shows a download for Firefox 9.0 for Linux i686 English (US).

It's FF8 for Windows.

IIRC, there's a windows-specific bug that was discovered at the last minute. They're fixing it & respinning.

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