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> "...as a Muslim, this is the best place to live. Muslims want the Sharia law and all the other Islamic stuffs including hijab, prayers and what not."

Afghanistan also has all the Islamic stuff. Is it a good place for a Muslim to live?

If not, what's the difference? Is it just the oil money that allows a class of people to live in luxury while exerting Sharia law on the others?

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That's a ridiculously narrow view of what the OP said, and you know it. The US is deeply Christian, as is Zambia. Is Zambia as good a place to live as the US?

> The US is deeply Christian as is Zambia.

Statisticaly no, the US is only 63% Christian, while Zambia is over 95%. Further I would argue that the actual american figure is lower due to Christianity's persistent cultural foothold in the country. If you count the number of people going to church weekly that figure is going to be much lower.

Which solidifies their argument.

Im not on anyone's side, why would you assume that? Im just pointing out something that is factually incorrect.

I didn’t mean to say you were. Not an ad hom, just an observation.

Going to church != Christianity.

Explain? This isn't super helpful tot the discussion if you disagree without supporting your claim. Feels kinda Reddity.

> US is deeply Christian

US is and always was a secular state.

One nation, under God. Indivisible, with....

One nation, afraid of godless communism, implementing nonsense in the 50s

I think this is a relative concept. It's less secular than pretty much all other developed nations and also less secular than many other less developed countries

The USA is more consistently secular than any other Western country. Its constitution is essentially unchanged for 250 years and is designed to separate church and state.

In the same 250 years France had swung between extremes of religious monarchy and ultra-republicanism, back and forth. England’s monarch is also the head of its national church. Even progressive countries like Sweden and Finland have national churches with taxation rights enshrined in law and automatically collected by the state tax authorities.

These are just some examples of how many European countries retain deep state-level power to the church while the society has shifted towards secularism.

And yet no American Presidential candidate could be elected without professing faith in Christianity and Biblical literalism, because the American political system is overfitted for rural, and thus Christian, cultural influence. To the point that one of the two political parties that matter frames itself as the defenders of traditional Christian values. And thus the American Supreme Court is currently repealing decades of progressive law, removing abortion rights (based entirely on Christian principles) and making mandatory school prayer legal again.

America invokes the name of God on their money and their schoolchildren evoke "one nation under God" in their pledge of allegience. State governments constantly fight to be able to teach creationism and intelligent design in schools. Christianity is the reason you can't buy alcohol on Sundays in many places in the US. Christianity is the reason American media censors sex more so than violence. One could go on nearly ad infinitum.

Sure, there's no (officially sanctioned) national religion (It's Evangelical Christianity though) and churches don't collect taxes (rather, they don't pay taxes) but despite the secular (really, Deist) foundations of the Constitution, one would have to be blind not to see the degree to which the US is still very deeply influenced and controlled by Christianity.

Both of you are pretty much saying the same thing. The US is officially secular and has no state-sanctioned religion…The situation is that a lot (majority?) of Americans are Christians, so their ideologies and beliefs obviously affect how they vote and, consequently, many laws in the country.

The country with In god we trust printed on their currency, who has "one nation, under god" as part of a pledge that children learn as part of routine schooling, who has the most senior politicians and judicial representatives polarized on religion sure as hell isn't secular in practice.

All of those things were implemented after 1900 because people were scared of communism

That doesn't change the fact that the US is what it is now. We don't say that Iran is a secular nation because it was 50 years ago.

No, we say the US is secular because it's in the constitution

What makes the USA a good place to live (for many) is certainly not the borderline theocratic laws that exist in some states.

What makes the Saudi Arabia a good place to live (for some) is not the extremely theocratic laws. Muslim quality of life isn't improved by beheadings and hijabs, as evidenced by Afghanistan.

Well no, clearly the theocratic laws have improved op’s quality of life. It’s just that the oil money has too. Why does it have to be one or the other?

They seem to be trying to understand if it is the laws alone or a combination that make life there so ideal. Because a country without so much wealth may prove the law alone isn't actually that great.

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