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Elon just tweeted from Apple HQ and is meeting with Tim Cook. Elon also deleted the tweet meme that he's going to war over the 30%.

All talk and no substance, this thing won't go anywhere. Elon probably got what he wanted from Apple and everything else is just fud for the masses. Elon does not care the 30% or what Apple does in China. He wants Twitter to stay in the app store and Apple to pay for advertising on Twitter.

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> Elon probably got what he wanted from Apple and everything else is just fud for the masses

I feel like Elon going Apple HQ is not a sign that he got what he wanted, it's a sign that he was summoned there to be disciplined. If he had some form of leverage over Tim Cook, it would be Cook that would be doing the traveling.

At that level, any kind of in-person visit is a sign of mutual good will. Traveling to see someone is an act of respect, and opening your doors to someone honors that person. Not every interaction is zero-sum.

Musk posted news of his visit there by showing a video clip of the pool on the Apple campus. No evidence of the two even meeting in person as peers. I get the sense that if this was a friendly visit there would've been a shot of the two CEOs together. It makes me wonder if he even got into the same room with Cook.

Cook made no mention at all of meeting with the CEO of the fifteenth-largest social network.

https://nitter.net/elonmusk/status/1598090996281413638#m

He thanked Cook for "taking him around" the campus, that sounds like in person to me.

Seems to me the reason there's no picture is that the visit wasn't for us, it was for them.

If I have learned anything about Elon, he is a bully and is currently using freedom of speech to get what he wants. He has an army of fans which include opportunistic powerful politicians and he is threatening to let them loose on anyone that doesn’t do his bidding. He doesn’t have any principles and won’t stick to any unwritten rules of decorum either.

Elon Musk has no principles? I find it strange how you could come to such a conclusion. These issues he engages in nowadays are exactly in line with what he cared about many years ago. For instance, around 2016 he shared his thoughts on building a tool to measure the credibility of journalists, which he wanted to call Pravda. What is his purchase of Twitter if not the culmination of this idea, rooted in the very same principle?

> Apple to pay for advertising on Twitter

You can’t win a fight with Tim. E-lawn should have consulted with Zuck first. He did something similar and we all know how it ended for Meta.

Most probably Elon is getting schooled, spanked, and hopefully not dragged around in that beautiful Apple park.

I hope he is getting schooled but he always seems to luck out somehow.

Hard to fall on your face when you have ARMIES of normal people all jockeying to put the pillow under you for free

Are you certain we can call them normal?

Zealots are a normal feature of human society, so yes.

There are a lot of people who spend a significant part of their day posting over and over again about Elon Musk, and congratulating each other for it. I assume that's not being a zealot. It's like the people posting about "Putin's cock" 100 times a day who think that it's actually the other people who are obsessed with him.

Correct. Anti-zealotry is another form of zealotry; like atheists who are militantly atheist rather than just chill about it, but all of that too is just normal people being normal.

I'm certainly not normal, but for all of Elon's eccentricities I'm thankful for jumpstarting the EV industry and revamping the space launch industry. He gets a lot of rope for those endeavours, no matter if he uses it to bind Cook's hands or hang his own neck.

> Elon probably got what he wanted from Apple

Yup - the attention that he met people at Apple HQ.

Apple is too powerful if you need to visit Apple's HQ and kiss the king's ring to stay on their store.

I would look for better examples than Twitter to base that claim on. The primary lesson to draw there is that you’ll have a harder time running a business if you act like a coked-up frat boy, which is … not a surprise?

The point is that at even the slightest hint that Apple might compromise Twitter's iPhone App or advertising, Musk has to visit and smooth things over. Have you heard that actions speak louder than words?

If Apple didn't have too much power why would this occur?

Because Elon is a nut and likes stirring up drama? For real, who was the first person to tell Elon that twitter was going to be banned? Was it Tim Cook? Or was it catturd?

Attack ideas, not people. What does Elon's actions have to do with Apple's anti-competitive behavior?

We don't reliably know that this was anti-competitive, or even what the meeting was about. It could have been related to Apple pulling advertising — since they're reportedly the largest single advertiser that'd get an HQ visit on its own — or simply that communications had broken down due to all of the fired people not being replaced. That's the larger point here: he's making pointless, stupid mistakes and that means that a lot of things are happening which technically could be part of some big conspiracy but might also be Musk shooting himself in the foot again and then blaming anyone but himself.

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