On the subject of earwax and unsupported medical arguments
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Medical advice is tailored to meet the needs of everyone, erring on the side of extreme caution.
Do I trust myself to insert a q-tip into my ear and not rupture my eardrum? Yes. Do I trust most highly intelligent hacker news readers? Probably.
Do I trust the bottom 10% of the general population (in IQ, dexterity, and good judgement)? Hell no.
Our medical system is a "no-miss" culture that has extreme life altering penalties for physicians that give medical care that leads to harm. Is rupturing an ear drum a big deal? I'm not so sure, but I bet you can find a plaintiff's attorney hungry enough to sue over it.
Don't go to medical school.
Although I can criticize lawyers for saying this, "out of an abundance of caution" is a totally reasonable thing for a PCP to say. Thanks, Doc.
My son is currently attending college in the USA. His dream is to get accepted into medical school. When you posted "Don't go to medical school.", are you being sarcastic? Or are you serious. Is medical school a dead end in 2022 in the USA?
There are a limited number of residency slots allotted by the government each year so if you don't get one it's a whole year before you can apply again. It's certainly an archaic system, and the incentive by the medical lobby to expand residency programs is low presumably to protect wages. Even if you do jump through all the hoops, life as a doctor is a grind. Hospitals are businesses and your job is to see as many patients as possible. This is all coming from him and other family members who went through the whole ordeal.
In general:
If you want a nice balanced life, you should aim to open a private practice. However private practices are a dying breed due to cost for renovating/acquiring an office (150k at the very least for renovating yourself here in LA), shitty payouts by insurance (and getting worse), I saw a pay stub just today for $37 for a specialist visit (cash visit would be around $250 so Drs really hate taking even PPO insurance these days), etc. Few specialties can pull off a private practice such as: Plastic/Aesthetic, ophthalmology (doing LASIK and cataract surgery), and some others but usually these two have it the best. It's even harder if not in a very populous area, but then competition is rife, should be ready to shell out for marketing. The majority of physicians work in groups or hospitals. There is a lot of stress and responsibility if you are a surgeon, you should know that this kind of life is what you want.
In the end it depends on his goals, these days and evermoreso going forward physicians are just cogs in the system. You can get away by opening a private practice but there are plenty of challenges there. Getting into a nice residency program is mostly luck and medical school is rough. Not to mention the costs if you aren't well off.
If anyone wants to ask anything I'd be happy to answer in a bit more detail when I get time.
On the other hand, you get to help people. Sometimes they're even grateful for it. I imagine that's worth something, even after all the hassles.
That is the problem. We expect physicians to be faultless, but they're not. If we applied the same standards to everything in life, then life would stagnate, if not grind to a halt.
This idea that everyone who passed their exams is equally qualified is a fiction. Let quacks back in and end defamation lawsuits that silence critics and leave it up to reputation and the market, contracts and standard criminal law. A much more dynamic market in medicine is necessary.
How can anyone rely on reputation in a world where there's no accountability when people systematically and mercilessly destroy someone's reputation?
Even most people who oppose copyright and patents still seem to understand that trademarks serve a singularly critical role in permitting a free market to operation. But the existence of trademarks necessarily require the ability to sue those who violate them. The same is true of reputation--reputation has no meaningful substance if the law does not provide a means for people to defend it. Without legally (i.e. community) enforceable accountability, a person's reputation is whatever the most powerful person or group says it is. That's literally a world where might is right; where free market is synonymous to law of the jungle.
Which is exactly why we don't, and essentially no one is advocating for it. But different domains of life need different risk tolerances. Some amount of greater caution, to say the least, is warranted when you're dealing with people's health.
What about ear hair?
Is ear hair something that flourishes later in life, or is it something we just don't notice when we're young?
Or you can let them grow out and scare old ladies and young children.
I use a q-tip at least weekly, I've always produced a lot of wax, and keeping it in check is very important for my well-being (and ability to hear well).
I also own an endoscope camera that I use to check my ear canals, very clean ears, no sign of irritation, no visible wax deposits. Tympanic membranes always clean (of course I don't clean them! I guess they stay clean from the fact there's nothing in the canal to get onto them).
The "pushing the wax in" idea always seemed ridiculous to me, like, you'd only ever have that much wax if you never cleaned your ears in the first place, and your hearing would surely worsen a lot from it?
But yeah, I wouldn't trust my 2 year old with a q-tip and ears either..
Note also that if I use q-tips, this will also increase ear wax production, but will remove the protection it provides, and water will get stuck in my ears until it builds up again.
I've also found that using earplugs will increase production, as will drinking alcohol.
1) Preference/Social - This is primarily smell and appearance-based. For example, you won't see medical problems from irregular bathing (as long as you keep wounds/orifices clean), not cutting your hair, or not wearing deodorant, society just politely asks that you do those things.
2) Modern-life Adaptions- This is things like tooth brushing. We need to do it more because of our modern diets than anything else.
3) Comfort - This is things like cutting your finder nails so you don't scratch yourself.
Using this framework, you realize you can get away with not doing a lot: pretty much everything except 2 is medically optional (especially after you let your body get back to homeostasis) - but keep in mind just because you and those close to you can't smell you, that does not mean strangers can't smell you.
Ear cleaning, FWIW falls mostly in 3, but maybe in extreme cases it becomes 1; if you're swimming a lot maybe it's a 2, but rarely is that true.
But also, given the above, please be considerate of others and do as much 1 as you're capable of.
I don't have much earwax, but I do have an unusually large head 2XL hats barely fit), so I wonder if it's just that my ear canals are too big for surface tension to hold water against gravity.
You put liquid in your ear and wait for it to soften wax for the few minutes. Then you turn over so the ear is facing down and use washer bulb with water to wash it out. You can wash out most plugs like this without going to the doctor.
Also they sell bluetooth ear cameras on Amazon so you can take a look inside to see if it requires additional cleaning.
Now: Use Debrox (etc) following directions. Several applications of the liquid over a day or two. But most importantly, flush with bulb with very warm water (as hot as you can stand). Repeat, over and over. Once you start, don't stop, because you won't be able to fully dry your ear canal until you get all of the wax out. Water means infection. Make sure everything is very clean throughout the procedure.
Do it over a stopped sink or bowl, so that you can observe what's coming out.
After it's done, dry completely. I use the twisted end of a tissue, etc., to sop up most of the water. Then blow warm air into my ear for several minutes.
No problems since I learned this approach.
But there seems to be mixed evidence as to whether it's any better than distilled water.
The bluetooth endoscopy / ear camera I have has its own little wifi router inside. The thing looks like a pen flashlight. You stick it in your ear, use your "smartphone" to connect to the wifi and using an app shows the video inside my ear. And I'm wondering what happens if I can't recover the password. Vaguely wondering if there is somebody in China who can see inside my ear now (er... no)
As an adult, I would get my ears similarly stopped up at least once a year, and I found Debrox and what have you infuriating - that stuff would itch abominably as it worked, and make the problem worse for a week at least before the wax came out. I never saw instructions on flushing with water; likely that's my fault.
... but since I became engaged to a Japanese woman, I've had a mimikaki (a Japanese ear pick, often made of bamboo) which I use regularly, and never once have I plugged up since.
I swim a lot too and get a blockage at least once or twice a year. I used peroxide on it to varying results, sometimes it would work, sometimes not. Then I read that hot water flushing after the peroxide is the key part, and that works consistently for me now. I do it by getting in the shower and aiming a stream of hot water into the ear for a minute or so.
https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20181029-in-china-chengdu...
Also, it's definitely possible to rupture your eardrum with a squeeze bulb too. Given how incredibly loud it sounds when you do it, I bet it can damage your hearing even if you don't rupture your eardrum. Furthermore if you're doing it yourself there is no way to know if you've actually cleaned everything out or you need to do it harder, so you just have to go for it until you get tired. I find it exceedingly unpleasant.
My approach is to use an endoscope designed for earwax cleaning. Works great and (in the absence of reliable evidence) it seems to me to be the least risky way to do it since I can see exactly what I'm doing and know when I'm done. I highly recommend getting one, preferably the fiber optic kind rather than electronic, for latency and reliability reasons. They make them in Japan.
As someone who has suffered barotrauma ear perforation, I find it hard to believe you would persist in using a squeeze bulb at that pressure as the pain is excruciating. When you get a perforated drum it's not a volume problem, sounds are actually muted, the cilia will be fine.
If you use plain tap water, make sure it is boiled in a kettle or on the stove first to kill any microbes. Hot tap water is not hot enough to kill microbes.
He said he was cleaning his ear one day with a q-tip. His sister snuck up behind him with an aired up paper bag and popped it. "BOO!" He jumped and smashed the q-tip into his ear.
I am extremely careful now when I use q tips.
Not much pain. I significantly lost hearing in that ear immediately. There was not really any way to treat it apart from waiting for it to heal itself, which it did after about 4 weeks. Hard to tell whether it's truly as good as new though.
I very gently slid a q-tip into my ear, and all it did was push some earwax to a funny angle in my ear canal. It was quite painful. I went to the doctor and they used pressurized water to get the earwax out.
Unfortunately, they dumped the bin before I could see how much came out.
When the doctor cleaned it out, a chunk of earwax about the size of a cigarette butt came out.
1)Normal soapy water around the ears during daily shower. Not in the ear.
2) Let the inner ear clean itself via natural oils.
3) Annual microsuction if needed.
https://ejcrim.com/index.php/EJCRIM/article/download/1268/18...
They do make plastic earwax cleaners that don't leave any debris inside your ears when used. Roughly shaped like a Qtip but without the cotton. Pretty cheap and also reusable, unlike Qtips. Available at any local pharmacy.
The article completely misses the medicolegal aspect of do no harm.
Not sure why people would risk safeguarding one of their main senses in name of "There’s Basically No Evidence For This"
Ignorant is, as ignorant does. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Has anyone seen blood leaking out of the ear when the crochet hook was retracted? How about stench of pus and dealing with infection from toothpicks, q-tips, bobby hairpins and other assorted instruments. Doctors and other providers see this more frequently than probably most HN readers.
As a former ex-NP student, I know syringe irrigation works, the patient was profusely 'life altering' thankful with a souvenir chunk of cerumen to prove it.
I really believe it takes real world experience, personal or clinical to provide evidence of outcomes, until then Dr. Google, like talk is cheap.
OR
dismiss clinical experience, keep on with the internet home remedies and support your local EENTs to clean up the mess :-)
Works great, and the guard keeps you from pushing it in too far and damaging your eardrum.
https://www.google.com/search?q=kinds+of+earwax
they require different care
Western medicine says "don't put q-tips in your ears". Japanese (and Chinese?) seem very different. You can find these at any medicine store in Japan, possibly even every convenience store
https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E8%80%B3%E3%81%8B%E3%81%8D/b?ie=UT...
they look far more dangerous than a q-tip
Here's a specialty shop
They also have sticks with cotton on them and one of the first VR experiences I ever had was of having your ears cleaned.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dlsite.nag...
also, also, here's a funny silly game about cleaning your ears
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.co.liica.mi...
https://apps.apple.com/jp/app/%E6%AF%8E%E6%97%A5%E3%81%AE%E8...
You drag the stick around until you find the hotspot (background changes when you're close). Then, once you find it you need to drag it back out. The joke is it either tells you how many grams if "ear-shit" you pulled out or you find some random silly item. In the Apple app store screenshots one card shows pulling out a dandelion.
Not that even in Japan, some doctors advise you shouldn't do it
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20210317/k10012917781000.ht...
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All that said, my father told me he had a friend that lost hearing in one ear when he had a q-tip in and his wife bumped his elbow. I have no idea if that was true but it stuck with me and I although I use q-tips to clean my ears I stop if there is anyone in the same room.
This part is right. Everyone should stop reading right there.
It’s clearly a case of garbage in garbage out