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I think people really overestimate the likelihood of CPS taking their kid after a visit.

There are lots of kids in absolutely horrid conditions that CPS doesn't take, they're not going to take them from your middle class home just because your mother in law didn't happen to clean.

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Given that CPS in Texas will attempt to take gender-non-conforming kids who have the support of their parents in being GNC, and that it's in Texas, I am pleasantly surprised that there have been no deaths with that policy.

> surprised that there have been no deaths with that policy

The lunacy of today's synthetic sex identity movement aside, what did you imagine, that the Texas state government would take these kids out back and shoot them?

Pretty sure he was surprised no parents had blown one of the CPS people heads clean off in their front lawn when they came around to take their kids.

That children would commit suicide after being taken from their parents due to their gender politics. Seems pretty plausible to me, transgender folks are already at increased risk of suicide.

Trans people denied gender-affirming treatment have monumentally higher suicide rates than their peers. You know that.

No one knows that, it’s not falsifiable.

If "Demographic A has higher suicide rates than demographic B" is not falsifiable, then I'm not sure what is.

We can’t interview demographic A after they are gone.

Pretty surprising a research scientist doesn't know what falsifiability is.

Well, in general falsifiability and its application to psychology is up for debate because it is generally unethical/impossible to run single variable control experiments on humans :)

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2015.0062...

You don't need to have single variable control to make inferences about differences between population subgroups, only to infer causality.

We certainly know that people who identify as transgender are at higher risk of suicide than the broader population.

Exactly, I was poking at the confidence expressed by the OP that inferred causality. Having more nuance and expressing less confidence would be closer to reality.

Irrelevant in this case. You don't need a double-blind experiment to determine suicide rates, as I already said.

I...what? If you find someone hanging from a noose with no sign of force or a struggle, you don't need an interview to know what happened.

What are you even trying to do, here?

Trans people given gender-affirming treatment also have a monumentally higher suicide rate than their peers: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/acps.13164

Yes, and?

Higher than cis people, perhaps, but much lower than if they had not received treatment.

Which is the whole point. They're better off with proper treatment than without. Anti-trans activists don't care about kids' welfare, they just want them to conform at any cost.

https://www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X(21)00568-1/full...

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamasurgery/fullarticle/277...

https://www.hcplive.com/view/suicide-risk-reduces-73-transge...

AFAICT this is not taken into account by Texas CPS in any way. Look for articles on it.

Yes, Texas legislators passed a virtue signaling law to do so, but it was blocked immediately. there is also a big gap between what laws are passed and the realistic chance of your child being taken away when the system actually confronts families.

Gender non-conforming children are being helped by this new Texas law, which prevents parents from transing them at the first hint of GNC behavior.

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