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This is the old FBI, not the new one that claims internet censorship is just part of the daily routine and that no one is responsible for years of fraudulent Trump-Russia propaganda. If you support this mechanism when it becomes politically useful, you 1) lack principle and 2) deserve to be on the wrong end of it.

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What year do you think the FBI changed? When did they stop being a white supremacist occupational force that murders and oppressors anybody who attempts to fight for their rights ?

I think it might have been in the early 2010s, when they finally gained the ability to access global financial and communications data rooted in the Patriot Act. Probably under Mueller, when he was busy framing Assange in Iceland with Sigi.

If you had to guess just off the top of your head since the beginning of the George Floyd protest how many BLM protesters who are black have simply disappeared into the night never to be seen again?

Let's also look back at the last few years - did we have an obvious problem in the FBI excusing the actions of protests against deadly police actions, or was the actual problem that there was a measurable amount of people in the FBI supporting and/or ignoring the people that actually did try to murder the congress.

It's pretty clear. When there was the large BLM protest in Washington DC there were lots of federal crowd control, also no one tried to break into the capital. When Trump's January 6 riot happened, there were just the much smaller regular capital police forces at the capital, no national guards.

> the people that actually did try to murder the congress.

You honestly believe that there was an attempt to murder the congress? They planned a mass murder, but settled for selfies in the rotunda?

> When Trump's January 6 riot happened, there were just the much smaller regular capital police forces at the capital, no national guards.

Could you clarify what exactly you're trying to say here? You seem to be implying some kind of vast right-wing conspiracy.

> You honestly believe that there was an attempt to murder the congress? They planned a mass murder, but settled for selfies in the rotunda?

What about the people that showed up with tactical gear and were obviously organized and coordinated? I don't think the Oath Keepers were arrested and charged with seditious conspiracy because they took selfies.

https://youtu.be/jWJVMoe7OY0

> Could you clarify what exactly you're trying to say here? You seem to be implying some kind of vast right-wing conspiracy.

Why did the Secret Service 'accidentally' delete messages from Jan 6th? Why didn't Mike Pence let the Secret Service evacuate him? Clearly he thought it was of the utmost importance that he stay and finish certifying the election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/26/pence-car...

> What about the people that showed up with tactical gear

What does "tactical gear" mean specifically? How many firearms did they bring per person?

Right wing extremists are well armed right? I bet it was like 10 guns for each person, surely.

> The defendants also, collectively, employed a variety of manners and means, including: organizing into teams that were prepared and willing to use force and to transport firearms and ammunition into Washington, D.C.; recruiting members and affiliates; organizing trainings to teach and learn paramilitary combat tactics; bringing and contributing paramilitary gear, weapons, and supplies – including knives, batons, camouflaged combat uniforms, tactical vests with plates, helmets, eye protection, and radio equipment – to the Capitol grounds; breaching and attempting to take control of the Capitol grounds and building on Jan. 6, 2021, in an effort to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the electoral college vote; using force against law enforcement officers while inside the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021; continuing to plot, after Jan. 6, 2021, to oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power, and using websites, social media, text messaging and encrypted messaging applications to communicate with each other and others.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/two-leaders-oath-keepers-...

I know you probably have a hard time understanding facts that disagree with your worldview, but these pesky facts have already been established in federal court. If you have evidence that the DoJ lied I suggest you present it in federal court, where these facts have already been confirmed as true.

So how many firearms did they bring to this insurrection?

> A member of the Oath Keepers who traveled with the group to Washington D.C. ahead of the Jan. 6 riot described a massive stockpile of firearms and other weaponry that allies had stashed in an Arlington, Va. hotel.

> “I had not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military,” recalled Terry Cummings, a Florida resident who said he joined the Oath Keepers in 2020 amid concerns about left-wing violence in Portland, Ore. and joined the group leaders’ private chats in advance of their Jan. 6 trip to D.C.

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/10/12/oath-keeper-des...

I understand that accepting reality is going to be very hard for you, but that’s okay. Your hero Stewart Rhodes is already a convict and is awaiting sentencing, and no amount of crying on the internet can change that.

You could try to contact his lawyers and tell them about your genius strategy of asking questions that you won’t accept answers to, I think that will definitely free him. Your opinions are definitely more valid then evidence presented and accepted in federal court.

> They planned a mass murder, but settled for selfies in the rotunda?

While they didn't plan to murder the whole Congress it is clear that they intended to attempt to coerce Congress to act to install Trump despite the election results using force and threats of force, including deadly force, against at least key actors (including, but not limited to, the Vice President), and that the reason they did not is that they, in several instances narrowly, and in one case through application of lethal force, were prevented from reaching their targets.

I saw the video of the woman being shot. She was unarmed. Nor did any of the protesters in the video appear to have firearms. If they intended to use deadly force this is a strange failure to plan, particularly for people that fetishize guns.

As best as I can tell this protest is being dramatically overhyped compared to very similar protests in the Capitol and other government buildings. I guess they didn’t get the memo that the Capitol is not a “free speech zone”, as I remember we complained about during the Bush years. Protests in Canada and the US are only allowed now with the proper permitting, in certain areas, and if they don’t threaten the existing power structure.

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