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Well.. yeah. If you bough a samsung phone, and it was full of shitty adware and preinstalled apps, would you expect their tablets, smart tvs and fridges to be any different? And are they?

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Yes? And yes? You're asking this like it's a bizarre thing to do, but that's how you think about consumer goods as adult: if you dismiss an entire brand conglomerate because of a single product line, that's an incredibly weird way to think about products.

If Samsung phones are bad, don't buy (another) Samsung phone. But when you need a dish washer, and reviews say that Samsung's is the best bang for your buck, their adware-laden phone has literally nothing to do with the decision to buy the Samsung dish washer. They are completely different products, made by completely different factories with completely different QA processes, and completely different target demographics.

Don't judge brands, judge product lines by brands. Because quite often, the people making one thing have nothing to do with people making another thing, they're completely separate "we can't call them companies on paper but in practice that's exactly what they are", and the owning brand itself has barely anything to do with the products they make, unless it's their major brand-recognition product.

I just want to note here that Samsung refrigerators and dishwashers are absolute shit and should be avoided like the plague. Also, their stoves are pretty crap, too, with a self-clean option that destroys the motherboard and blowers.

You'll have a hard time convincing me that their design and manufacturing issues are not endemic across their entire company. Fish rots from the head, etc.

Much like the other commenter: yep, Samsung's not a good company, making it all the more appropriate to use as example for "judge the company on all its products, not just one".

But if samsung put ads and bloatware on their phones... won't they put them on TVs too?

Oh wait, they do:

https://old.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/co5aw4/unrem...

What about on smart fridges?

Oh wait.. they do that too:

https://old.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/yr80x3/my_smar...

Good: you did your research and discovered that Samsung's a mostly shit company. We already knew this of course, that was the whole point of using Samsung as example for "do your homework first, then judge the company".

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