Like some sort of resistant force born in response to the force applied?
Added: I am totally pro-vaccine as an extraordinary medical tool, just trying to understand this phenomenon hoping we won't make the same strategic mistakes again.
I do agree with others though, I don't feel the same way about Covid19 vaccines, even though I took them, it really does, in retrospect, look like a lot of it was trying to get people onto a yearly vaccine plan, "get your yearly covid19 booster", I don't like that personally.
I think, yes, the companies are for sure rubbing their hands and thinking about the extra money from another mandated yearly vaccine. But the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, though they have a short window of effectiveness (as do flu vaccines) have protected some people from severity of the symptoms and death, which is not a bad thing.
There may be some value in a yearly vaccine for at least susceptible people that covers a window of time where infection rates are typically highest.
2) They aren't forced. They are required to go to public school (with limited exemptions) but parents have other options, albeit more time-consuming and/or costly.
The primary reason given is "pandemic-related interruptions in children’s medical visits as well as in-person schooling", and catching up with documentation.
While it's "also possible that anti-vaccine sentiment, inflamed during the Covid-19 pandemic, is widening", "Health officials said they haven’t seen an increase in vaccine exemptions nationally".
The linked-to page says those are: "measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) shot; the diphtheria, tetanus, and acellular pertussis (DTaP) shot; and the shots against poliovirus and varicella (chickenpox)."
Not COVID vaccination.
So if they make it "take them all including COVID or none"
Then naturally parents that refuse to give their children the new COVID treatment will also have to choose refuse the "routine" ones as they are not being given the opportunity to only receive the routine vaccines with out COVID
A lot of people who had never in their life questioned vaccine safety or necessity, are now looking into them and not always coming with the conclusion that they are needed.
> Covid-19 vaccine hesitancy “in some cases has translated over to routine vaccinations, and that’s something we’re watching very closely,”
Followed immediately by "Health officials said they haven’t seen an increase in vaccine exemptions nationally".
This article is pretty clear that that connection is likely not the main reason for this drop.
Do you disagree?
At that level, we face coercion all the time: a traffic light is a form of coercion backed by the threat of state violence.
Does fighting back against that coercion explain why people run red lights?
Moreover, if it's the expected human response, what explains the 2% difference between now and the 2019-2020 school year? Do more people now think of themselves as having free will than a few years ago?
The 2% is why you don't force vaccine mandates.
There are studies showing it (pre covid) and we knew the entire time what would happen.
It's so common sense I have to just fu*ing laugh about it all. Sorry.
For example, I strongly prefer a modern roundabout for many of the places where the US uses a stop sign or traffic light. But my argument is made on increased safety and improved traffic flow.
I once accidentally ran a red light because I got confused about which traffic light was for my lane.
My father once deliberately ran a red light. After waiting for 5 minutes in the middle of the night. Because the detector didn't sense his motorcycle. A cop ticketed him. My father went to court and the judge ruled that what my father did was reasonable.
So while I'm certain that someone, somewhere ran a red light because of moral outrage over repressive government, that's not main reason people run a red light.
Just like this linked-to article seems to describe that the drop in routine vaccinations does not seem primarily due to increased vaccine hesitance due to the covid pandemic, even though certainly that is a reason for a few people.
So you agree coercion causes pushback. A bit tricky to get that out of you. Thank you for the exchange.
I expect far more people have run a red light because they were texting than as pushback against coercion.
It appears far more kids have failed to receive their MMR shots due to pandemic-related interruptions in children’s medical visits than parental pushback against coercion.
It is not useless. It tells you coercion, if applied to fix these other reasons, could be counterproductive.
Here's a counter-example. Assume 99% of the people who run a red light / haven't vaccinated their kid, do so for some reason totally disconnected from reacting to coercion, and 1% of the people are fighting The Man.
Now we change the coercive circumstances [1] so that 98% of those people now stop at a red light / have vaccinated their kids, the 1% still haven't changed, and an additional 1% have joined them.
That means the overall number of red light runners / non-vaccinated children go down significantly.
Which means those changes are productive.
[1] For traffic lights this might include: higher fines, more active police enforcement, propaganda campaigns about the dangers of running a red light, changing the lights to be more visible. For vaccination these might include: remind parents of vaccination requirements, provide in-school and home-visit vaccination services, and increase propaganda campaigns.
Are you seriously trying to argue your way away from agreeing that coercion can be refused by itself so much that you can't resist providing your hypothetical?
Or abstract generalizations that could be applied to just about any topic?
What evidence do you have that the reason for the drop is NOT primarily due to disruption caused by the pandemic, but is instead due to people "who thinks of [themselves] as having free ... fight[ing] back at least a small amount"?
Because the paper is clear that the decrease is due to disruption, saying:
] Twenty-three states reported COVID-19–related impacts on data collection including lower response rates from schools, data collection extensions and delays, and incomplete data from schools that did respond; 30 states reported lingering COVID-19–related impacts on vaccination coverage, mostly related to reduced access to vaccination appointments and local or school level extensions of grace period or provisional enrollment policies (CDC, School Vaccination Coverage Report, unpublished data, 2022). - https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7202a2.htm?s_cid=mm...
I don't know why you are so pointedly insistent on a population which is so small it doesn't seem to show up in the statistics.
Supposing people thought your point was useful. How would that insight help improve routine vaccine coverage?
The failure here is not parents it is every single person in power and every single spineless person that unquestionably was regurgitating the dracionian narratives of those in power the last 2+ years
That was true five years ago and it’s equally true now — we’re talking about the same routine vaccines. Nothing that happened during the Covid-19 pandemic changed that.
So if doctors are only giving the other vaccines if parents alos.agree to the COVID one then naturally parents that are refusing just COVID one will also have to refuse the others
Seems like a bad idea to hold the other vaccines hostage unless people agree to take the COVID treatment
"Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick, and that it's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data." ~Dr. Rochelle Wolensky[1]
This was a lie, and it was not only repeated but amplified by those in positions of authority up to and including the President of the United States.
[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-director-data-vaccinated...
Measles and polio are the ones I'd emphasize, not chicken pox.
Children don't die from chicken pox. It's only dangerous to adults.