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II am one of the gen-Z'ers you are talking about.

Each time OS vendors update their UI, they add more white space and make the UI flatter. The old always complain but I just found the new design more comfortable and intuitive to use.

It is a one way trip. I can't get back to old, traditional IDE after trying the more modern VS Code.

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VSCode doesn't have a lot of whitespace though, it's still a function-over-form, high information density, getting things done application.

It has much more white space compared to IntelliJ IDEA or Visual Studio.

I am a Millennial and I don't give a crap about fashion and trends. I want something that I like and is good to use. I found some old UI's ugly and clunky. I find the trend of material design just that: a trend. Just like Baroque, Rococo and Renaissance were trends. Which eventually faded, like all trends. Just like Material Design will fade. Some young people are rebels just for the sake of rebelling, and therefore it has to change regardless of whether the change is good or not. Cool, though sad. Those are the ones that most likely will become conservatives later on, as they're just following emotions. Some older people are conservative because "the good ole times when everything was better." I fit in neither, which is kind of lonely but it is what it is.

I love the W11 design, best looking one so far. Usability is not bad. W7's was better in some regards, worse in others. I hated W10 design. Usability was poor. W7 design was nice. Usability was good. Windows XP design was ugly. Usability was nice. Windows 98 was ugly. Usability was ok for the time.

The others in between are not worth mentioning.

You are wrong. My first graphical OS was Windows 98 at home after DOS at school. Windows 95 was built with UX/UI at mind, which lots of research. Current are themes are pure crap on usability. No contrast for buttons or menues. Too bright or too dark themes. No slight widget frames for separation.

The only semi usable flat theme under *nix it's Zukitre GTK2/3 theme with, maybe, the Newaita icons or similar. Everything else lacks lots of contrast.

You can use window managers in Unix.

Themes are used for borders. Every program has its own UI. Even on MS Windows.

Except for Motif/Athena, everything under my GNU/Linux setup uses the "blackwater-dim" GTK2/3/QT5 and the Chicago 95 theme thanks to qt5ct, among the Metal2 IceWM theme closeish to early 00's Java look. Best of worlds. A highly usable window border, keybindings, solid widget themings and virtual desktops.

> You are wrong.

Not acknowledging that other people have other taste that doesn't necessarily match with a person's personal preference is wrong in my opinion.

It's not a matter of taste. Windows 95 was specially built on a large study on usability: https://dl.acm.org/doi/fullHtml/10.1145/238386.238611

Unix had brilliant points, too: Virtual desktops and moving/resizing with alt or super_l and clicking the mouse with a left/right mouse click.

Thus, you can use a Unix based WM/DE (IceWM, Mate, XFCE) with the Windows 95 theming (Chicago95) AND the Unix keybindings, having the best of the both worlds since Icewm was created from long ago.

Can't you just acknowledge that the GP just have a significantly different experience from yours? It's disappointing that you seem to just ignore everything that the GP said, with the explicit acknowledgement that it was just their personal opinion, and just rammed another comment without understanding it?

I will just ignore your thick-headed comment from this point, it's clear that you're not arguing in good faith.

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