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I can tell you how it is in Berlin, Germany. And this is the cheapest city in Europe. Juniors start at around 40k, seniors about 50k anual salary.

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In Finland these numbers are much lower for Juniors. Juniors start around 30-35k. Senior salary is about the same 50k but of course depending what you do and how hard you are to replace ;)

Please state clearly if you are talking about gross or net, and if net, what is included (e.g. in .nl you still have to pay health care insurance yourself).

Gross. Health care included + bonuses.

In Paris, junior CS engineers usually start at 35k (gross), but it's not too hard to negotiate up to 45k after 2 or 3 years of experience. Wages are usually lower in the rest of France.

And this is the cheapest city in Europe.

Western Europe.

    Juniors start at around 40k, seniors about 50k 
    annual salary.

40k/12 = 3333 euros per month? Or are you using a different calculation?

Most likeky 40k/13 = 3076 euros per month + an extra "bonus" month each year. Which should give about 2000~2500 euros net per month (depending on the local taxes) + an equivalent annual bonus.

40k euro/year would still be a (slightly) above average salary for a beginner programmer in Vienna, which is significantly wealthier than Berlin, so it still sounds a bit optimistic to me.

Thanks for the info and the replies it has spawned.

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