Comment by benj111 | Hacker News Reader

Comment by benj111 | Hacker News Reader

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Go commented: > Asian students, for example, spend more than 3x as much time studying as Black students.[1] Do you think there's a chance that this contributes to their higher representation at Caltech?

To which you replied:

>If your cultural group is substantially underrepresented in academia, why would you participate in academics? If you know the game is rigged against you, it’s perfectly reasonable not to play...

So are they expected to 'play the game' or not?

Define qualified? If a get an E (technically a pass) am I 'qualified' to the same extent as someone with an A?

If I get my basic baseball proficiency badge does that allow me to play against the best baseballers the world has to offer? Just because of my race?

Further. You do understand the future danger of all this? If I'm looking to hire graduates and I know the black kids had an easier time getting in. If I want the best im better off not looking at the black kids. Their piece of paper is worth less. Plus you're infantalising them. They should be getting there on their own merits. If they aren't doing the work to get the grades, that issue should be addressed, not papered over.

Black kids didn't have an easier time getting in, it's a lot harder for a black person to get to the place where they're even being considered for a prestigious college than it is for you to get to that place.

If you see a black person with an education from an institute like Harvard, you should think about the additional work they had to do to get there.

And by the way, those kids get the grades necessary to attend these schools. Why would you presume they don't?

But the whole point is that others have been putting in more effort thus the better outcomes.

Your position is/was that black kids put in less effort because racism.

So if black kids are putting in less effort because racism how can you then say they're putting in more work.

If they're trying and not getting in then that's something universities should be doing something about. If they aren't putting in the work universities shouldn't just be expected to accept lower grades. And the solution lies elsewhere.

You can't have it both ways. Either theres no point trying because the game is rigged. Or they're putting in more effort to get to the same position. If the latter then challenge the GPs assertion, instead of tacitly accepting it by saying that black kids aren't trying.

No what? Harder work does not equate to better outcomes, who taught you that?

If you actually read the thread we are in, the reply this is under, which I have requoted, you will see this is on relation to education and study time.

Are you claiming revising for an exam doesn't lead to better outcomes?

Are you claiming that it's the same level of better outcomes regardless of race?

Because you'd be wrong.

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