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Comment by qwertox | Hacker News Reader

"Join the waiting list" is what turned me off. I'm already trying hard enough to use Windows 11 without a Microsoft account (local only) so that I'm definitely not signing into Bing on Edge. Next step they'll require me to link the OS to it.

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I recently setup a new laptop for someone with windows 11 and was surprised how easy it was to get around the online account stuff. The wifi was on when I hit the account setup part, I didnt want to make an account for someone else (name an email and password for someone else, what a mess, no thanks), so I powered the router down. The account screen didnt seem to give any options at all to work around it and make a local, but after the router was off, I got in without an online account, I dont even think the local had a password given, I could get in by just clicking a "Sign In" button.

It's interesting how this has now become the norm where users accept such treatment without question and propose "quick workarounds" so they can continue using abusive software.

> surprised how easy it was to get around the online account stuff.

thats not easy, a dark pattern, and not something most people will be able to figure out

"Easy" is clicking a "Local account" button. Turning off the bloody router is the opposite of easy.

To me this reads as being surprised that you are merely abused and not turned into a slave.

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