The New York City kosher meat boycott of 1902
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Well, that's the "benefit" of raising the cost of living to require 2 incomes to support a family: no one has time to arrange things like this. Even if you had energy to do it, how will you get the time off work and not lose your job?
Socialist countries like the USSR are no different, but due to another tradeoff. By ignoring the nature of supply and demand in favor of a command economy, they had massive losses in efficiency in a way that forces everyone to have to work, and even then only producing mediocre results.
Also plenty of people in lower income brackets are finding that a second partner having a job is more expensive than staying home because of the high costs of child care.
A few people want that kind of subjugation but broadly it just wouldn’t happen again, the vast majority of men and women wouldn’t stand for it.
> not to mention folks who are rejecting the gendered identity all together.
And those folks are literally accused of being groomers by large parts of population just for existing and being visible. There is literal campaign of fearmongering going on against them. Threats of violence against these people are a thing now too. There are attempts to make gender non-comforming clothing in the presence of children into illegal acts.
>A few people want that kind of subjugation but broadly it just wouldn’t happen again, the vast majority of men and women wouldn’t stand for it.
Quite a lot of them would happily stand for "subjugation" I see nostalgia for it regularly. Seriously, abortion rights are being reversed and those were supposed to be untouchable too. Just teaching about ugly parts of history is in the process of being outlawed as boogeyman CRT.
And Wisconsin did not even managed to make underage marriages illegal, because it is constitutional right of adult men to marry girls under 16.
This is not actually new information for you, right? I think there's a subtext of your question I am missing?
Personally, I think that the only way we get this is with popular anti-capitalist movements, to change the nature of the economy to be structured around people's needs instead of maximal exploitation of labor for capitalist profit. But I'm open to hearing about other visions.
Of course, as what we've seen during the past year in the US, this is going to create high inflation.
The other method, which I much prefer, would be to lower the cost of living, while only modestly limiting immigration and working hours (still need to be reduced compared to current levels). By far the easiest way to do so would be popping the housing bubble, Japan-style, by building tons of extra housing and bankrupting private equity groups gobbling up houses, which would release further housing on the market. Perhaps a government agency can buy up some properties to rent out at a breakeven price.
And of course you would fall in this demographic, amirite? Fuck the poor, don't mess with the salaries of the rich.
> building tons of extra housing and bankrupting private equity groups
They'd just continue to buy up that new housing. This can't change without taxing the land value.
Shall we all wait for covid20 to wipe out enough people that the housing supply overwhelms demand and prices drop?
Land value taxes and Georgism in general are utopian nonsense that have never done any good anywhere at any time. People love to trot them out as solutions to the housing affordability problem but can never show how they would help -- because they can't help!
Building more housing is the only solution, everyone knows it, and weird pie-in-the-sky stuff like land value tax are distractions that ought to be ignored.
Yes it can. Bar corporations from owning residential real estate. Taxing land value will just cause an exodus into hellhole suburbs.
At the end, the core of American dream is that your success is a function of how hard you try, so if you see yourself failing your are just slacking (not that I agree its healthy for individuals nor for a society I would like to live in, but that's another topic).
Btw FWIH Japan is mostly screwed up due to long term demographic curve, something knocking on the doors of ie Europe too, with their borderline racist approach to foreigners, even very similar Koreans. If you work 5am-10pm and have to excuse yourself to your boss for each leaving only after 12 hours of rather ineffective bureaucratic work, very few want to add raising kids on top of that.
Also, past protests I read about involved employed people. And they involved males too. It is not like stay at home women were sole organizers of protests through the history.
The garment trade in NY was so bad, it's why unions took off in the USA. All the recent fires in garment factories in the Indian sub continent are a re-capitulation of what caused militancy in the garment industry.
Thuggery is not uncommon in migrant communities. Strong migrants self-predate on marginalised people in their language and religion group. The Irish had this problem in spades, for years ("collecting" for Irish independance)
(writing because calling out the Kosher butchers in particular misses a point, and can be read as implying they were worse than other sectors because they were Kosher)
Israel has a whole "my label is more kosher than your label" thing going, mostly in Jerusalem.[2] This pushed the price of kosher meat way up. There was a reform plan to standardize kosher regulation, and it got to within two weeks of going live. But as part of the coalition agreement Netanyahu negotiated to take power, it's been put off for six months and is probably dead until Israel gets a new prime minister.[3]
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/04/nyregion/judge-voids-law-...
[2] https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/what-israelis-want-kosher-fo...
[3] https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/shas-minister-s...
This is at best an over-simplification. Many of us use a specific certification due to legitimate differences in tradition (מסורת) as opposed to "blue stampy is better than red stampy". I find it increasingly frustrating that frequently, we're seen as a monoculture, when we're not.
I say this living in Israel, and not Jerusalem, not that it matters.
There are other examples, but I always like this one.
About your example, what happens if a Yemenite Jew invites a Syrian Jew to dinner, and serves swordfish? Is the Syrian allowed to eat it?
From a Jewish Law (halachic) point of view, that person isn't allowed to consume these things. But moreover (and logically), I actually can't serve it to them. So, there are multiple layers to these things.
But what happens when a couple get married from different communities which have different מסורת or מנהג - can one spouse adopt those of the other? Must they each continue to follow their respective inheritances? And what is inherited by their children?
Sorry, I hope you don’t mind me asking all these questions-it is just a topic which fires my curiosity.
Actually, I have another super relevant example. The Talmud derives that one should always hold the kiddush cup (glass of wine) when making its blessing. However, the מנהג in my (and many a) family is to leave the glass on the table, and stare into it at the time of the blessing - due to a Kabbalistic matter. To be clear, this מנהג clearly goes against accepted הלכה (Jewish Law). It's also clearly, 100% okay. One of the larger Rabbi's in recent memory (חכם עובדיה יוסף) when asked said that it's fine. Ultimately this probably depends on the item to be honest, but there are many instances of nuanced הלכה (like the wine blessing, blessing on the bread, other things) having מנהג trump מסורת.
This is due to the fact that while the Talmud is the Oral Law, it's not the Torah. The Talmud itself, repeatedly explains how nothing can trump the Torah. However, once something is Rabbanut (from the Rabbis) the debate opens, hence the Talmud itself - which is a mixture of the Oral Law (משנה) given at Sinai, and the discussion of the Oral Law (גמרא) by generations post, when this was formally written down by Rav Yeudah Hanasi. This becomes super interesting in the case of Beta Israel (Ethiopian Jews) who were disconnected from "mass Judaism" at the time of the Talmud, and literally did not practice Judaism with these Talmudic inclusions. To help codify their historic traditions, and how they can be understood within the framework of "Judaic norms" within modern Israel - Harav Sharon Shalom, an Ethiopian Rabbi wrote his book, while in discussion with many Kessim (Ethiopian Jewish religious leaders, effectively Rabbis).
As for your question about couples, this is literally my marriage. In reality, it depends on the couple. From the pure perspective of הלכה, these religious items follow the male. In practice, in most communities it follows who cares more, and even that can depend. My wife (Ashkenaz) has wildly different traditions, foods, music.. heck tonnes of things than I (a Sephardic Jew) do. We tend (overwhelmingly) to the Sephardic side of traditions, she prays as we do now, etc. At the same time, on Pesah we sing many of the songs she grew up with, we maintain a stricter stance on certain kosher items because it makes her more comfortable - and I'm happy to do it for her.
But our children "follow their father" as per the Talmud. This means that my kids follow Sephardic מנהגים, prayers, etc. Then again, we're also in Israel which unlike North America tends to be more Sephardic than Ashkenaz (practice not numbers).
Apologies if I rambled.
Sounds like a little more than a boycott. It also says the ly continually assaulted butcher shop patrons and smashed windows. The article also ends saying that the price was originally 12¢, went to 18¢, the boycot happened and it went to 14¢, then the boycott ended and the price went back up. So it wasn't even successful?
According to the OP (and the wikipedia article, of course there is one, perhaps you will find it a less shoehorning source on the event, I agree the article is a bit... boosterish), the boycott worked, and lowered the price of meat? Which seems to be a major problem with your argument that it made no sense as a political tactic and couldn't possibly work... it did work?
The wikipedia article provides a bit better context, that it also involved a battle between butchers/retailers and the meat wholesalers who provided the meat ("the meat trusts", which is a great phrase).
> On May 11, 1902, around 400 kosher butchers on the East Side of New York organized a boycott of the meat trusts to put pressure on them to lower the cost of meat. However, the trusts were too powerful and the butchers ended their boycott. In response to those unsuccessful attempts, the women of the Lower East Side Jewish community, led by Fanny Levy and Sarah Edelson, held a massive protest.[9] On May 15, 20,000 protesters, mostly women, took to the streets to attack the butcher shops.[10] They smashed shop windows, poured gasoline on the meat, lit it on fire and threw pieces of meat at police officers. By the end of the day, 85 people had been arrested, 75% of them women
OK, honestly I have a lot more questions afterreading the wikipedia article. This is an even somewhat stranger event than the OP suggested... the butcher shops wanted lower prices too, but the women rioters smashed the butcher shops... and then it worked, the butcher shops said, great, we're joining the boycott too and not selling the meat until the wholesalers drop their prices... and restaurants joined the boycott too... and eventually the wholesalers lowered their prices, and the butchers passed on the price drop.
Oh, and as far as "not many" butchers, note that mention of 400 kosher butchers on the east side of manhattan? I don't know how many butchers there were total in manhattan at the time, but 400 butchers is a lot of butchers.
I'm also really loving the image of women throwing burning hunks of gasoline-soaked looted meat at police officers as a weapon. That one paragraph from the wikipedia article has so much to offer.
Still seems like a weird thing to do.
Wikipedia is rife with nonsense sometimes.
But yeah, unfortunately the wikipedia source for the burning meat projectile claim is to a web page that makes the same claim without really citing it's source (beyond the name of a historian). We'd have to do some research to see if we could find a cited primary source that this claim came from originally, and how it appeared there.
I really like the image regardless. It does not seem implausible to me, generally, with kerosene. But it's an enjoyable image either way.
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