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Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Ah yes, the party of personal responsibility and small government yet again telling me I cannot do something to protect myself from a danger or even control my own body, business, or home.

I don't care what bullshit you can come up with about democrats, at least they don't scream "We want to stop the government from controlling you" and then nakedly do the exact opposite, and then still get voted for even more. Democrats are very open about their belief that accountable government can implement positive regulations.

Republicans: Why the fuck do you let your politicians be so openly two-faced like this? They claim one thing and do the exact opposite, right in your face. Why do you encourage them do put restrictive policy in place if you believe in personal freedom?

>Why the fuck do you let your politicians be so openly two-faced like this? They claim one thing and do the exact opposite, right in your face. Why do you encourage them do put restrictive policy in place if you believe in personal freedom?

How can you say this with a straight face when there's a story about NY Democratic politicians selling out the right to repair bill to corporate interests?

Politicians say one thing and do the other as long as they think there will be no consequences and in the polarized world where live in that is often.

These are two totally different things.

This story is about the priorities of the party shifting from

1. corporate corruption

2. giving lip service to issues that matter to people

3. implementing fringe conspiracies

1. implementing fringe conspiracies

2. corporate corruption

3. giving lip service to issues that matter to people

your point is about business as usual for the parties.

We can't have constructive conversations with people who deflect criticism of one party with criticism of another. This "whataboutism" is intellectually dishonest, implying straw beliefs that haven't been professed. There can be two wrong parties, but it's childish to change the subject defensively.

Yes. Compared to all those right to repair bills just coasting through Republican states.

Oh, there are none.

Edit: Basically your complaint is that Democrats deliver worse than ideal results because they are influenced by corporate money, which you claim is somehow worse than Republicans not even attempting to deliver results because they are influenced by corporate money so much more.

>"Ah yes, the party of personal responsibility and small government yet again telling me I cannot do something to protect myself from a danger or even control my own body, business, or home."

Your previous comments on HN:

"PayPal data breach notification (maine.gov)"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34530067

>"mrguyorama: As a resident of the state in question, I'm curious as to why this comes from our state. Did paypal not have to report this anywhere else?"

According to your previous comments on HN -- you do not live in Idaho.

(If I have this wrong, then please correct me -- you have my most humble apology if this is wrong!)

If you do not live in Idaho -- then there are no laws in your State which criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines.

If there are no laws in your State which criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines -- then there is no limitation on your personal freedom with respect to being administered mRNA vaccines...

In other words, you are completely free to adminster (or be administered by other people) as many mRNA (and non-mRNA!) vaccines to yourself as you wish, should you wish...

So I don't understand exactly what your issue is, if you are indeed free -- and it would seem that you are...

Perhaps you could help me to understand?

Seems like everyday that goes by there's something going on in America that makes me believe they have lost their minds.

We have. Long ago, sad to say.

The non-native population largely lost our minds before we even got on the boat to come over. We're a nation of lunatics and have been since before independence.

" But but but but it's the WOKES who are crazy"

Meanwhile non of the 14 year old blue-haired tumbler users they seem to think make up all of the democratic party and represent the only opinions of progressives actually make any law changes, or get elected, or are even thought leaders!

We're having a similarly crazy legislative session in North Dakota. It's very disappointing

Does the Darwin award committee accept nominations for political entities ?

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Does it stand any chance of passing?

As an Idaho resident, I dearly hope not. And I'd be really surprised if such legislation did pass. Toxic extreme-right rhetoric appeals to a nontrivial proportion of Idahoans, and some politicians are pandering to the fringe of society that wants to see everything burn. But my rough estimate is that only 20-25% of Idahoans think that way.

As a fellow Idaho resident, I don't know many Idahoans that received the vaccine. But I don't know any that would want to prevent you from getting it, either. You should be free to do what you think is best for yourself, medically. And everyone I know thinks the same.

You should be free to do what you think is best for yourself, medically. And everyone I know thinks the same.

Your neighbor in Wyoming checking in. Those I know here would agree with you.

Some legislation is used purely for political theater so conservative pundits have content which can be spun into disinformation or used to incite outrage to their voter base. Truthfully, both sides do this, but one is consistently more destructive in their approach than the other.

The sooner America splits up into two or more countries the better I think. It's clear the cultural difference inside America are far beyond even different countries in Europe. I guess that should be expected given how large America is.

Most Americans agree on most things.

Cultural differences across Europe are FAR greater than anything in the US.

The problem in the US is extremists taking over the microphone.

Even England Scotland and Wales are separate countries.

I suppose in theory the US already has a mechanism for managing this disagreement federal and state laws.

I'm not an expert in UK law but I'm pretty sure that the variation in laws between one US state and another are much bigger than the variation between the four constituent UK countries.

That was sort of my point.

The idea is that Europe is much more varied than the US. Yet the UK is a country seemingly made up of countries. So difference isn't enough?

And the US already has a system to allow quite different laws to be enacted.

Ah, I misunderstood. The thing is, although I believe the US government is more decentralized than your typical European government, and you're right that the various states have very different laws, the Federal government is still extremely powerful, and Federal law covers every subject that you can think of. Since the spectrum of political opinion represented is so wide, this means that any decision the Federal government makes will upset a lot of people. There basically never is a compromise decision that everyone feels at least OK about.

There's actually quite a substantial difference between Scots law versus English and Welsh law in particular! Even disregarding substantial divergence in legislation, Scots law is a mixed civil/common law system, versus the common law system of England and Wales. I'm no US legal expert, but I'd imagine the differences are roughly on par to those found between US states. My understanding is that it's similar to the sort of difference you'd see between Louisiana's system and other states'.

TIL. I'd ask now what the difference is between a barrister and a solicitor, but I'm not sure that's a thing an American is even capable of understanding.

At the simplest level it’s really just the lawyers who operate in the court (barristers) versus those who operate outwith it (solicitors). It’s a bit more complex and couched in tradition but that’s the gist of it. It’s actually from the same etymology as the “Bar” in the US, as in “admission to the bar” or “the bar association”. It represents a person who has “passed the bar” in the courtroom, separating spectators from participants. It’s just that the setup is a little different, with most solicitors not having a right of audience in the court.

Another difference in Scots law - no barristers but “advocates” instead.

Thanks, very interesting.

I don't think so. I review a lot of market research reports for my firm when making strategic decisions.

The younger generations of Americans are extremely polarized and ready to fight. They don't agree with many of the cultural norms of the older generations such keeping politics out of the work place, or common public areas of civility. They are willing to inject their personal biases into the company and literally every aspect of their life. This is not unique to the Left either.

We are seeing some necessary materials partners send out emails signatures with literal bible verses on them to our employees with pronouns in their emails.

The under 35's are really adding a lot of pain to my life right now.

Cultural Differences in America are at the level of Hungary vs Germany/UK right now, if I had to say.

I think it's just that people are delaying having children. Once they have children they fall in line as there's no energy for anything else

Funny you mention that, that was a topic this week at my firm.

The number of single women in the U.S. is expected to increase 1.2% every year from 2018 to 2030, compared to a 0.8% increase for the overall population. This is likely going to result in 45% of women between the ages of 25 and 44 who will be single and childless by 2030.

If anything I expect the discord to get worse in the future.

Also if anyone knows what these single women might want from the market, I'm dying to know!

Given the state of abortion law, I wouldn't bet on "childless by choice" remaining a constant.

Play both sides: tampons and diapers.

You say tampons but do you mean contraceptives? Mothers still use tampons.

Contraceptives are designed to prevent pregnancy. Tampons contain period blood, which happens before and after pregnancy. Diapers are for babies post pregnancy.

One of the most common forms of contraception is hormonal medications that have a side effect of lightening and/or fully stopping periods. Most of the abortion legislation has limiting access to those medications or other contraceptive procedures accompanying it, or even included in the same bill.

> You say tampons but do you mean contraceptives?

I don't want to come across as a proponent of an ugly situation, but I was being specific with my verbiage.

The law is currently stacked against women and makes it difficult to obtain contraception, and impossible to address the consequences of its non-acquisition or failures. Abortion isn't an option, even for rape cases. Obviously women want contraception, but it is being denied to them on purpose. The men in charge are playing the long game and shaping the circumstances to compel them to produce children.

(The conspiracy theorist in me suspects the current Adderall shortage is an intentional test run of dependency interference to see what the public is willing to put up with-- next time, it'll be a manufactured disruption in supply of chemical contraceptives.)

Your observations are correct but I was too terse-- it's not a tampons OR diapers dichotomy. Demand for both is going to increase. If there are more women, they will buy more (and better) hygiene products. If they are denied birth control, "choice" in child-bearing is reduced to a game of consistently beating the odds. When their luck runs out, they'll need diapers (and affordable childcare).

Only lesbians are safe from this nightmare. I don't know what they like to buy though.

So from that point of view, one could see conservatives constant and endless attempts on restricting abortion and birth control as trying to prevent would-be liberal voters from being politically active?

The problem as I see it is the politicians and media stoking the flames of any controversial issue they can for profit. This ‘issue’ is an excellent example.

One does not gain strength through fragmentation.

Russia has been making land grabs. China is dancing around the same. Both countries have roughly similar and institutionalized culture/doctrine.

Meanwhile, the west is repeatedly encouraged to consider taking steps that reduces our global footprint and leads us away from unity. Hmm...

>Meanwhile, the west is repeatedly encouraged to consider taking steps that reduces our global footprint and leads us away from unity. Hmm...

Freedom isn't free. God forbid Wall Street have to sell off a few banana republics to the Russians or Chinese.

A lot of us are sick of playing world police and world janitor. We're sick of pissing money and lives into far-off quagmires that are only tangentially related to us. Regardless of what's going on domestically there are many who want nothing to do with foreign entanglements and many more who would be fine accepting more Russian and Chinese influence overseas if it meant getting rid of a lot of their political problems at home. It's not like the US is incapable of existing as anything other than the sole superpower. We were fine the first 200yr.

To be fair, we had a much worse quality of life pre-superpower.

America was a rough agrarian nation compared to much of Europe, then we had a civil war, then a very tumultuous period of expansion, WWI, then a major depression, WWII, then super power time…

I am personally much happier as a super power. My 401k goes upwards much more with the US economy pushed outwards, and our jobs pay better and are much more impactful. Everything is much cheaper -especially our car centric culture- due to our shadow influence over oil nations. We’re safer with a control over the globe as opposed to being dependent on another military and that nations whims.

I don’t know what you’re thinking of, but I suspect our primacy in the globe is the main distraction keeping us from tearing ourselves apart. Nations tend to go through upheaval when their quality of life plateaus or gets worse. I like America as it is and don’t want to see further upheaval.

One gains strength through fragmentation if one loses dead weight in the process.

I'd say it's more universally an extremely polarized urban vs. rural divide that isn't really defined by the borders of any particular region of the country, although more rural states like Idaho tend to carry over common rural paranoias and resentments into the political space.

I think it's more socioeconomic class than geography.

A blue collar tradesman that is a partner in an urban business and nets 250k/yr probably going to have more in common ideologically with a guy who drives a tractor in BFE than he does with a techie or a doctor.

But where would you split it? Regardless of what the blue/red state maps show, it's really an urban/rural split.

No idea, but market research shows people are heavily moving around right now due to political orientations.

I can imagine the the southeast becoming completely red and the northeast becoming completely blue.

If either of the sponsors has any idea what they're talking about, I'll eat my hat. They're just following the party line...you know, like Soviet Communists used to do.

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