There are vaccines and there are vaccines
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Science these days has become more political than fact based. Any questioning is stopped at the source and from scientist, medical doctor, or pundits get socially shunned.
We truly are living in Orwellian times. Journalists more or less don't bother asking big questions, too afraid to challenge the hot pick that comes down from politicians who are so openly bought by lobbyists it's quite frankly scary.
All we get in the news is political finger pointing, it's all treated like entertainment. The best I can come up with as an analogy is pro wrestling. Which isn't actual wrestling, doesn't even look like real wrestling, it's all theatre but the crowds all behave as if it's real, even though they know it's not.
America has lead here, and it seems so attractive to other leaders that the rest of the world is following suit.
Edit: Downvotes without a counter essentially harden my opinion of social shunning over evidence based science. We just can't have these discussions in the open without "you are a conspiracy theorist" and such.
> So it’s important to remember that (1) some of the coronavirus vaccines truly are more efficacious than others, (2) that the ones we have are only a small set of the ones that people attempted to develop, which means (3) that vaccines are still not easy. Infectious-disease vaccines have a better success rate in the clinic than most other areas of drug development, it’s true, but that just means that the chances improve from Godawful to Pretty Bad. We’re fortunate to have what we have, and that good fortune is the result of an awful lot of hard work.
Basically, vaccines are hard work and we still can't just "whip one up" at the drop of a hat.
You get labeled as a “death shot” person for trying to say this.
The promise of the vaccines has been oversold and walked back consistently. The risks, though small, have been diminished. All for “The greater good”, but this is how you get people to not believe you.
I personally know someone who had serious vaccine related complications who never became a statistic as he was never able to get a definitive diagnosis.
Have some qualms with this one. Not all viruses are created equal. Mostly as a hobby, I did a lot of reading during the pandemic into the 50 years of work that has gone into trying to create vaccines for this class of virus.
I don't believe we will ever develop a satisfactory vaccine for any coronavirus. I don't know the specific biological reasons for this, but the efficacy of vaccines for these viruses are always low and short lived.
But we've been trying to vaccinate against these infrequent pandemics for a long time, and it hasn't worked.
There were legitimate objections to the rubber stamp, and that should have been discussed, but instead we labelled any medical or scientific skepticism with "conspiracy theory" and got the populace to shun those people.
This sort of behaviour corrupts society, it is a building block of fascism and we are seeing the fall out of that now.
Saying something is true when it's not and then gaslighting everyone isn't how to run a healthy society. People lost friends over this, countries have came out broken and more divided than before. Politicians have free reign to say whatever the hell they want now, the president has been set. People follow blindly or be shunned.
Journalism is dead. Not one major news org questioned any of the COVID policy for fear of being isolated and painted as right wing. This is not a healthy society by any means. It's corporate government up and down, fascism is calling out descent as fascism and we sleep through all of it as if it's never happened exactly like this before.
In fact, in the case of Pfizer, they never even tested the product to prevent transmission. Naturally, they didn't admit this at first, which allowed public officials to make unfounded claims that legitimized their coercive polices.
Pfizer did not actively test each participant. It only selectively tested some patients and not others, based on symptoms. They provided no explanation of 'suspected but unconfirmed' cases. If they suspected them, perhaps they should have tested them, but they didn't.
Most likely people would have decided they were going to live their lives, and then we'd see a lot more elderly people pass from it.
I remember some lady barging through my door the day after Halloween, without a mask, because she had to give my kids treats.
My opinion is that without a vaccine net transmission would have gone up without a vaccine, because people would have decided to take their chances and stop waiting for a vaccine.
As far as the lady who barged into my house, she knocked on the door without a mask on November 1, 2020, and pushed her way in to give my kids treats. I sometimes used to hang a mask on my front door's knob, but I don't remember if I had one easily accessible.
From what I understand, the vaccines generally shorten how long a person is infectious.
No clinical trial has shown this to be the case. People assume likes of things about these products, many of which are untrue or at least not backed by any evidence.
> But vaccinated people clear the virus faster, with lower levels of virus overall, and have less time with very high levels of virus present. Therefore, vaccinated people are, on average, likely to be less contagious.
> A study in medical journal The Lancet followed 602 primary close contacts of 471 people with COVID. It documented transmission and viral load in the group.
> It found there were no differences in peak viral loads between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. It also showed only a small decrease in the number of infections in household members between vaccinated and unvaccinated people, suggesting a similar level of infectiousness.
So, not only do you have to cherry pick studies to show that infectiousness is decreased, they're not clinical trials, and so there was absolutely no justification for ever requiring anyone to receive the products.
Are you an anti-vaxxer? Because now you're making stuff up.
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-...
> Moderna's chief medical officer, Tal Zaks, said last month that he believed it was likely the vaccine would prevent transmission but warned that there was not yet "sufficient evidence" of it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/who-says-no-evidence-coronav...