I rescind my statement about there being no product from the US that has value and is unique, which would in turn spawn the need for non-software engineers. Peavey Amps is such a product. I don't accept the "we are too large excuse"...China is large and has unique products, but like I said the US does have unique products. I could have used better examples...

But just to answer some side notes that were mentioned: First I am not talking about small two or three men teams of engineers, my post referred to engineering companies who can support a workforce as a result of consumer demand.

>Yes, yes you still do Damn you MTBers :) This makes sense, we invented mountain biking so yes.

I was focused more on companies who design, produce and research bikes here in the USA because this produces jobs. When I mentioned Schwinn, remember Schwinn employed 1000-2000 people. I consider Trek and Cannondale to be in the same level as Schwinn. Trek actually recruits mechanical engineers. Peavy Amps at one time recruited engineers, but the main question is "Does Catalinbread recruit engineers, et. al?"

A lot of those companies are small offices with production coming from Taiwan or China so the impact on Engineers here in the US is minimal.

> Germany is large too with different dialects Slightly different? Do you consider a Bavarian accent similar to a Schwebish accent? Let's not get lost... Anyway, does this smallness account for the fact that Germany has unique cultural products like certain varieties of rye bread, cheese, balsamic vinegar, or watches.