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Confirmation that Google is dead.

Judging by how underwhelming Bard is, I think they are toast, but at least they have YouTube:

https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1620539538476249088

YouTube is a glut of audio-visual training data they have the copyright to, I wouldn't be surprised if they started training something to replace fixed length videos entirely. The content creator will become obsolete, which is tragic.

OpenAI has demonstrated that copyright no longer matters given its commercialization of the content of the Internet without attribution or royalties.

As much as I hope that's the case, it's also likely that it only seems that way because legal processes are slow especially when it comes to issues with almost no precident that fundementally challenge the assumptions of US law

As much as I would like to believe in the rule of law, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Apple, and others are all going to be able to pour enough lobbying dollars on this to smother any regulations or findings of wrongdoing. AI killed copyright.

For small companies and individuals, however, it’s still very much alive. Napster isn’t coming back.

Napster was obsoleted a very long time ago, it doesn't need to come back. "you wanna buy a tower records Eduardo?"

Eh, one of the primary value props of good youtube channels is the authenticity. I think this will be a tougher nut to crack for AI than most.

For the first time in a decade they have a viable competitor.

They must figure it out and I'm confident they will. They understand they're quite literally are facing extinction. I'm sure they're in focused mode since the original ChatGPT announcement, this should get them into proper creative panic mode.

They missed the first-mover advantage with Cloud, and they're now more and more obviously missing it with public AI tools.

What's worrying is how Microsoft and Openai are constantly announcing and pushing great stuff live. It makes whatever announcements from Google look minor.

I can almost hear the alarm klaxons in Mountain View from where I'm sitting and I'm sitting in Europe.

> They missed the first-mover advantage with Cloud

They also missed the first-mover advantage with web search.

And webmail.

And online video hosting.

And online ads.

(In fact, very few of the dominant players anywhere in tech had first-mover advantage in that field.)

They bought their way into several of those, something that is much more difficult to to do these days.

Microsoft have effectively bought their way into OpenAI. The fact Google have done LaMDA on their own gives them a great starting point to compete.

OpenAI could just be another Netscape.

Google was a different company back then.

They evolved into a stagnant beast, I would be very surprised if they manage to turn the ship fast enough.

They will survive like Nokia or Kodak survived.

Microsoft has a very good leader at the helm, Alphabet does not. You can already see the difference that makes from the last few years. Alphabet has no soul culturally, whatever it once had is long gone.

Microsoft is overwhelmingly a software company. What is Alphabet? Microsoft still knows what it is.

Not really. I've asked chat several questions where it simply lied to me. I used Google to confirm if the info is actually correct.

WolframAlpha makes it way more likely to be correct - but not everything is in there.

Also, now I'm worried about the stuff I didn't instantly recognize as false. Does this mean I have to double check every single thing I ask it?

That makes it far less useful.

Sundar Pichai's answers to this point have been knee jerk and uncoordinated. Under the current leadership, Google won't have the ability to leverage its strengths. The fall could be quick, which would be a shame considering Google's immense potential.

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