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The president said that if you get the vaccine you won't get the virus: "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations."

Early on they would kick you off social media for saying otherwise.

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-health-governm...

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Initial efficacy was ~95% against infection.

A close examination of Pfizer trial results has called this figure into question. See thread https://twitter.com/Jikkyleaks/status/1633937931319787520?s=...

Did the president know that when he made the statement?

Why is it that Faccui, the CDC, and the WHO are so hated but I haven't heard for an investigation into Pfizer.

People whine about them because they hear about it on Fox news and social media. Reality doesn't matter if you get a 20 way forwarded email.

So his whole complaint is that covid tests used in the trial were done at a single central lab?

I mean, yeah? Reduce variables?

Forgive me if I'm not up-to-date on all the, uhh, stinky cheese, do they address the fact that we saw very similar effectiveness numbers in real-world tests after the roll out of the vaccine? e.g. 91%, 94%, 95.3% in these three studies?

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-ri...

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7020e2.htm

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

It was way more effective against pre-omicron variants.

No, even by the time of Delta it was clear the efficacy against infection was marginal at best. The CDC acknowledged this in its Provincetown study in late July 2021 and recommended the reimposition of mask mandates as a result.

The Provincetown study does not say that, it says that people who do get infected likely carry a similar viral load regardless of vaccination status, which was a reversal from what was seen in the initial strain. This represented an increased risk of transmission on its own that they felt warranted an increase in precaution.

> data from this report are insufficient to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, including the Delta variant, during this outbreak.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm...

too lazy to look it up right now but VE against infection was around 60-80% within 4 months of taking the shot

If there was any substance whatsoever to these sorts of numbers then highly vaxxed jurisdictions would show significantly better case rates, and they absolutely do not.

Even if that figure is correct, that statement was unequivocally and demonstrably false. We really should not be making excuses for politicians lying to the public; it is never acceptable, and we have every right to demand better.

Turn it around. The antivaxxer types can now claim, correctly even, that officials lied multiple times about the efficacy of the countermeasures. That is not the kind of ammunition you want to be giving out during the next public health crisis.

and he got it how many times, after ?

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