Thanks, the popping out babies is such a garbage take. It's not designed to argue in good faith, it's just a moron talking point.
It's a miserable living experience for their children. Welfare queens do exist even if they don't look like the media portrays them.
As I stated, I'm not against social programs, but I think there's substantial waste and program goals need to be realigned. It needs to be reimagined, and not from ivory towers like the techno-elite that gathers here on HN.
People might scam the system because they can't afford the kids they have, but nobody is having more kids just to scam the system.
Absolutely utterly false. Witnessed it personally.
I absolutely know both the financial details as well as personal motivations. Others in that sphere I do not have as much intimate knowledge of but they follow the same pattern and social circles.
This topic is something HN (or rather the demographics that tend to post on HN) simply has a giant blind spot on.
It's not so much that each kid is a net benefit. It's that having kids are a requirement to access many government programs in my state. Single folks simply don't get help. I still know people in my past life who have never worked a single day and have had all expenses paid for by the state using such programs. Add some child support in and it's a way to live, even if a pretty crappy one. There is also very little planning for when the benefits end as the kids age out.
I really think every young adult should have to spend a year living in a section 8 complex as an assistant super. It may open many eyes to the state of the US and our social condition.
As stated, I have personally witnessed this exact behavior. The common belief in certain circles seems to be this is unheard of and uncommon but I absolutely do not believe the mainstream statistics on the matter.
It's not just kids. It's a whole way of life. Usually SSDI is involved among other such shenanigans as well. It goes deep - to the point of ensuring your teenage kids show up to school exactly the minimum number of days to not get dinged on benefits.
" not just kids. It's a whole way of life. Usually SSDI is involved among other such shenanigans as well. It goes deep - to the point of ensuring your teenage kids show up to school exactly the minimum number of days to not get dinged on benefits."
Adding details isn't making this more plausible. Nobody is denying YOUR life experience just your third hand misunderstanding of other people's.
Now you have them living on child support, fraudulent disability, and neglecting their kids.
Have you considered that maybe you have skeevy family and this is not normal.