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I am able to disable "Auto-join" on those, but I don't have these WiFi hotspots near me so I can't test if that Auto-join toggle actually works.

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Wait 4-5 minutes and open the menu again.

In my case I disable auto join on all and they’re all back on in 4-5 minutes.

I was also able to verify this as the device will still really connect to the “disabled” hot spots, even after switching it off. Just took a while for the profile to resync.

Edit: only 5 of 9 re-enable auto join after I disable it.

It's been more than five minutes, I opened the menu again and it's still disabled. I'm on an iPhone 12 Pro Max on iOS 16.4, which is the latest iOS.

> even after switching it off

This might be your issue, because after a restart your iPhone no longer has access to your saved Wi-Fi credentials, but it can still use EAP-SIM to join T-Mobile's Wi-Fi network first. But I see your point that it does not respect the "Auto-join" toggle.

Sorry, to clarify my device will reconnect to a carrier-managed hotspot that has had auto-join manually disabled without a reboot within 4-5 minutes.

Yeah, that's probably a bug.

If this happens often enough to annoy you, you could file this bug with Apple by typing "applefeedback:///" into Safari. It could take some guesswork to figure out what component to file this against.

Does Apple ever respond to bug reports? I've only ever heard of them disappearing into the void. Beyond that though, users shouldn't have to file bugs against hostile features like this. Spreading the word as widely as possible about Apple's behavior here is likely to be far more effective.

Apparently they don't normally respond to them directly but they do look at/analyze them. Once in a blue moon you'll hear about someone getting contacted by an Apple engineer for more information.

looks like a few of mine resynced and toggled auto join. My iPad has none of these managed network entities at all, seems to be a phone thing only.

Looks like comcast xfinity type networks are being imposed too. The xfinity App may be toggling these XFI, Xfinity Mobile, xfinitywifi pieces your way too.

The Xfinity ones show up only after you install a profile from the Xfinity app or website, and manually enable it in Settings.

The Xfinity hotspot service typically has two SSIDs going: "xfinitywifi", which is unencrypted and has a captive portal to log in, and the "XFINITY" network, which the installing the profile enables access to and which is encrypted with 802.1X authentication.

For everyone except apparently the carriers, Apple is very strict about the opt in nature of managed WiFi networks.

I have devices with 0 Comcast apps and 0 profiles but they all have the Xfinity managed networks, the only thing they have in common is the cellular service.

I wonder if the xfinity mobile carrier is pushing this stuff.

I'm on 16.2 and this is an issue here too

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