Is this really becoming standard? If so, that really bums me out.
I considered buying a Subaru for my latest car but one of the big negatives was an internal camera pointed at the driver that couldn't be disabled. It was, at least in part, for driver attention monitoring but performed horribly. It would ding contantly, even when I was staring straight ahead.
I have no faith that these video feeds will be kept private and really, really don't want to have to worry that any awkward or embarassing thing I've ever done in a car could be released to the world.
I'd be pretty surprised if any of the cameras routinely stream. Too much of a bandwidth hog.
What?
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/azure-depth-platform/time-of-...
Is this true? That's yet another reason to avoid buying newer cars.
I don't know the world of Apple machines, but at least outside of Appleworld there are several cameraless options out there from major manufacturers. I assume they're sold mostly to businesses, because I've worked at a few companies who only allow machines that don't have cameras and microphones built in.
Edit: I wouldn’t want to touch a Tesla even if it was gifted to me. Seeing the founder behave the way he does (latest incident: Changing Twitter’s logo to a shitcoins image) makes him extremely unsympathetic to me.
The founder title is one that a company gives to individuals crucial in the early formation of the company. Musk clearly qualifies.
I'm saying all this because I think it's very lame that Musk critics try to say he's not a founder of Tesla. Hate Musk all you want, just use real criticism and not this sophomoric "he's not a Tesla founder" stuff.
In some countries, "moral rights" ban the practice of buying and selling the right to change facts like authorship.
That line made me shiver with disgust... good for those countries.
On paper. But there are plenty of examples of companies doing things that they shouldn't be doing.
The important question is: what would the consequences be to a German car manufacturer given similar circumstances?
At which point the Data Protection Authorities (GDPR enforcement) would get involved. They would almost certainly levy a hefty fine against the auto manufacturer.
As far as I can tell, German companies are very good at keeping their shenanigans under wraps because they know that being caught has terrible consequences. Occasionally they slip up and then you see what a complex conspiracy they've been operating.
Probably attempted to be hidden in collaboration with the German government like they did with Dieselgate.
Also: working in R&D doesn't necessarily give you insight into what operations people are up to and what kind of access they have to sensitive data. I've looked at plenty of companies in Germany and not all of them are lily white in this respect. MB may well be one of the better ones, I haven't looked at them in particular. But they use an awful lot of components from companies that have a less good reputation.
And then there was this:
https://dieselgate.legal/news/bosch-leaks
Which mentions MB explicitly.
They also had things like this happen:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/mercedes-benz...
I'll reserve judgment, but this is a less than stellar record from my perspective.
Given that point, doge is an avatar of stupidity personified (caninified?) and so is a good fit for Twitter.
From a game theory perspective, "being first" is a Schelling point. That makes a huge difference between Dogecoin and Bitcoin.
> Privacy is taken extremely seriously here in Germany.
Yes, to the point nothing can get done anymore and e. g. having an outdated, non-digitalized healthcare system.
Tesla is doing it wrong. But Germany is also doing it wrong - just on the other extreme.
The system may be slow and not very digital but it is very much not outdated. As someone who has seen a friend go through a terminal illness and has researched quite a lot about cancer treatments, the care you can get in Germany is top notch. And all that for free (except for hospital bed that you have to pay sometimes if you stay longer than a set amount. Which is about 11EUR if I remember correctly). Yes things can be improved and privacy can be a hurdle but it is not quite a bleak as HN commenters make it out to be. I would take it over having everything beging top notch digital without any regards for privacy like it is in the US. (and often very poor or non-existent non-digital solutions)
There was only one "Dieselgate company", Volkswagen Group. BMW and Mercedes-Benz had nothing to do with it. And yes, I would rather buy a car that cheats on emissions tests than a car which spies on me. That's an easy choice (or would be, if I had any real confidence that VW cars truly don't spy on their users too. Which I don't.)
I find this hard to believe considering their numerous lies about their car emissions and the extent they went to cover it up.
As a counterpoint, BMW started putting feature behind premium subscriptions couple years ago such as steering wheel. Such micro transactions are really hard to combine with privacy.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Edit: We've had to ask you this many times before. I don't want to ban you but if you keep breaking HN's rules we are going to have to. We've cut you a ton of slack already; it's not infinite, so please fix this.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
Ban away if you need to but I'll continue to level valid critiques at a tech company selling an $80,000 luxury sedan without a spare tire.
On any given day there are 30 fresh topics getting lambasted by the terminally online nerds that populate this site but the second someone brings up Tesla-- Mods show up to enforce "civility" and pass out bans to anybody with 'wrong' opinions.
Hacker News being pointlessly negative is such a meme that people blackhole links coming from HN just to avoid the "free condescending advice", seems fitting these same reply guys can't handle the lightest of criticisms against their god-king or his ewaste cars.
We get called "the orange site" because name dropping Hacker News on social media causes a swarm of scavengers to attack you like a dead fish hitting the ocean floor.
I understand you have a difficult job making sense of the above + trying to prevent it from getting worse but genuinely this interaction leaves me feeling like getting my main account banned from HN would be a badge of honor.
> the second someone brings up Tesla-- Mods show up to enforce "civility" and pass out bans to anybody with 'wrong' opinions
This is illusory. It feels that way only because you have strong feelings about $topic and are more likely to notice the moderation cases that feel wrong to you (see https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...). In reality, the distribution is more or less random. We have zero interest in moderating Tesla topics or any $topic more than any other, and we don't care what your or anyone else's $opinion is.
Literally the only thing we care about is people posting in the intended spirit of the site: thoughtful, substantive, curious conversation, as outlined in https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
If you had expressed your opinion in that way, I'd never have replied; and if you had expressed the opposite opinion in the same way, I'd have replied the same way. As a matter of fact I have no clue what your opinion even is.
As for "civility" - we haven't used that word in many years and it doesn't reflect how we think about moderation.
Have you been in a Tesla ?
It approaches the interior quality of a 3 series or A4 … from below.
It is completely inappropriate to classify a Tesla as a luxury car.