I’m still mad HN banished my comment on an earlier article suggesting that the “random crime” narrative was obviously false.
The cause could have been (with equal evidence for each case) aliens, mossad, or a cooking accident, but people were quick to project their biases onto the situation and jump into flamewars or political attacks based on literally no information other than a man having died.
And now is it not only speculation, it’s conclusively just a bad and irresponsible guess.
They just started sharing their stories about crime in San Fransisco from what I saw.
The clarification of this specific event doesn't negate the recounts of others in the related issue of crime.
people were acting like getting stabbed was just something that SF enables
But yes, ideally we don't ever assume, sure. But don't let that distract from actual problems that people vocalized.
And let's also remember that this is a SUSPECT, so we are still assuming to this moment.
In high profile cases like this, the prosecutor risks their entire career if the charges don't stick, so they usually have iron clad evidence or they wouldn't have made the arrest, and would've just waited for more evidence. The suspect hasn't even put in a not guilty plea during the arraignment. Mistakes do happen but I would say the odds are way in the favor of it being what is claimed.
Yes, you are still assuming the odds currently.
Innocent until proven guilty is the setup of the system.
From an article:
> Footage retrieved by police from Millennium Tower shows Nima Momeni getting out of a white BMW Z4 after arriving at the high-rise at 8:31 p.m., according to court records. A little more than four hours later, at 12:39 a.m., Lee arrived at the tower.
> Shortly after 2 a.m., both Lee and Nima Momeni were seen on camera taking an elevator to the building's lobby before getting into the suspect’s BMW and leaving.
> Additional footage obtained by police shows Lee appearing to be stabbed under the Bay Bridge on Main Street, the documents say. The footage allegedly shows a BMW and the red glow of tail lights, suggesting the vehicle was parked. Based on the clothing they were wearing when leaving Millennium Tower, police believe Lee and Nima Momeni were the two people seen standing outside of the car.
> At one point, the pair move closer together before Lee walks away, appearing to be wounded. Nima Momeni allegedly walks to a fence—which is where police found a silver and black knife, the suspected murder weapon—before getting back in the BMW and speeding away.
> Lee was stabbed three times—once in the hip and twice in the chest, according to court records. One stab wound penetrated his heart and killed him. Police found what they believe to be the murder weapon, a 4-inch knife, in a nearby parking lot with blood on it.
> “The defendant not only drove victim to a secluded area in the opposite direction of his hotel, but also brought a kitchen knife with him,” prosecutors said in court records. “Defendant did not use some type of pocket knife, but a cooking knife from an apartment kitchen. This was a planned and deliberate attack.”
All this could very well be deepfakes I guess. Even if he's proven guilty you could say the same thing, because innocent people have been proven guilty in the past. So basically we can never ever assume who did the murder?
My point was to remind everyone of the system we have, innocent until proven guilty by a jury of their peers, not by journalists.
I’m going to push back on that. 70-80% of homicides in the US are committed by offenders known to the victims, with the small minority committed by strangers. People here are smart enough to know that and yet still pushed the "crazy homeless killer due to liberal policy" false narrative. That’s the problem.
It would indicate a specific kind of commenter bias if, lacking any evidence, most comments on the original thread were about alien abductions and cow mutilations. Saying that it's weird that so many people talked about aliens doesn't necessarily mean we should suspect a human. Noting that we know a lot of murders were conducted by humans would be evidence that it was even weirder that there were so many comments about aliens.
But... that comment hasn't been flagged? It just says "[flagged]".
Compare this one from the same thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35456831