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Having converted a couple of PHP projects to modern languages and maintained way more than i care to admit:

Its not going anywhere. Or at least in europe its not.

Symfony et al have matured enough so they are usuable for allmost everything web related and if you dont plan to be the next google homepage, it will carry you VERY far.

Is it pretty? No. Is it efficient? No. But you will be able to find 10 coders for the price of 4, that will have your project iterate until you need something bigger and better. If you do not hate your staff, by then they can easily pick up golang and convert into microservices, taking it down piece by piece and making the parts more efficient that need it.

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There is no structure, OO was an after thought, meta-programming an after thought., unit testing, testing utilities and frameworks an afterthought, their best Web-framework Laravel is a clone of Rails, No original good ideas in the PHP Community and thats the problem. The reason is PHP is a poor clone of Perl.

I was with you until the end. Originally doesn’t mean shit. Who cares if Laravel is a Rails clone? For the record, I have no idea if it is, let alone if it is beyond the degree that plenty of other things are “Rails clones”. And this is ignoring the fact that Rails had been inspired plenty by other projects throughout its lifetime, as it should.

I’m interested in using the right tool for the job, not getting caught up in weird inside baseball attribution wars. IMO, PHP is often not the best tool because it’s a shitty language. If it has a “Rails clone”, that makes it better, not worse.

It is a clone of RoR. Pretty much all open source projects take inspiration from other projects. Ironically, there’s not a single good clone of Laravel (or RoR) in node. Wonder why... (sometimes the language and it’s features do matter apparently (and yes I’m being sarcastic))

Jup jup.

"PHP is used by 77.5% of all the websites whose server-side programming language we know."

https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/pl-php

That's because of Wordpress, but still.

Or they can't detect the other languages.

And WordPress is written in PHP and has the biggest ecosystem of any "framework" ever still.

Facebook and Wikipedia are two large companies which heavily rely upon PHP but use little to no Wordpress.

And pretty much all forums.

A rails clone without ruby sounds like an improvement.

Are you serious? Jsx was first implemented in php by Facebook. One of the most popular features of modern JavaScript was original designed (and implemented) in php.

I can confirm, most European ISP keep only offering PHP and Perl on their cheapest hosting price plans, PHP is here to stay.

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