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Hang on the main complaint in this article is that Tesla is providing some road safety statistics that to a normie look surprisingly good, but which on closer inspection rely on comparisons that are statistically misleading and involve some biases should have been controlled for.

You've not really engaged with that and have instead

- speculated that the author is spreading FUD because they're short Tesla

- decided that the report is wrong because it was written on a Forbes platform you say is for crypto scams

- elsewhere used anecdata to refute it - "I own one myself and know several people who have gotten one more recently and they all love them and have had zero issues"

With all due respect ... this is fanboi behaviour.

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He makes a lot of claims he doesn’t substantiate or source in the course of his argument about his issue with the way the stats are reported.

“It’s also true that drivers are more likely to engage Autopilot in easy driving conditions — clear roads with no construction and nice weather.”

Is it? That doesn’t jive with my personal experience and how I use it.

He also claims that if users don’t intervene FSD will surely crash. This also strikes me as not really true most take overs in my experience are because the car is being overlying cautious or annoying in some way that isn’t dangerous.

He claims that people that buy Teslas are old and wealthy which skews the data since they are naturally safer drivers but doesn’t cite any source showing that is true. Teslas cost about the average of a new US vehicle. Another thing that was maybe true 5-10 years ago but no longer.

If he had wanted to write a neutral point of view article about how he would like to see the self driving industry report safely stats that would be worthwhile but this just seems to be ragging on what one company is doing when everyone else doesn’t report this stuff at all and there isn’t an acceptable industry standard yet. Like do we have statistics from GM’s Cruise self driving unit, or Google Waymo?

My comments about the car being great were more directed at the others in this thread ragging them.

> If he had wanted to write a neutral point of view article about how he would like to see the self driving industry report safely stats that would be worthwhile but this just seems to be ragging on what one company is doing when everyone else doesn’t report this stuff at all and there isn’t an acceptable industry standard yet. Like do we have statistics from GM’s Cruise self driving unit, or Google Waymo?

Ugh, completely wrong. Have you heard of CA DMV disengagement/crash reports? Waymo and Cruise provide detailed reports of incidents to regulatory authorities. In fact, Waymo goes out of its way to publish detailed safety data about their operations: https://waymo.com/safety/

I don’t see any stats on accidents per mile or any other thing like that just a bunch of PR about their testing methodology. Individual accident reports filed with the DMV don’t tell you anything without knowing the denominator

https://storage.googleapis.com/waymo-uploads/files/documents...

https://storage.googleapis.com/sdc-prod/v1/safety-report/Way...

CA DMV releases annual mileage reports where you can compute disengagement per mile and accidents per mile. The companies file those reports with the DMV (guess the one company that doesn't do it). Look it up, it's public. And guess who analyses those reports every year? The author you're attacking in this thread.

Criticism isn’t an, “attack”

Sure. I guess your way of "criticizing" is to accuse the author of spreading FUD and shorting the stock, while questioning his credentials by calling him a "quasi expert shilling a point of view". Meanwhile, all your points of rebuttal are provably false.

He is a consultant I doubt he is shorting the stock nor did I say he was. I do think it’s likely he is being paid to promote this viewpoint though.

Only ones unbiased and unpaid are people who hold positive views on Tesla! Just like you. Or are you being paid to defend Tesla on HN?

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