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Speaking as someone who voted for them: I have never been more let down by anyone as much as the Green Party in my life. They act like neocons nowadays basically.

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Same here. It all feels like Jürgen Trittin's lifework, deciding end of nuclear in early 2000s, was prioritized higher than climate change. Everyday I'm looking at the energy mix, I'm getting very angry that they decided to bet everything on being able to grow renewables in never-before-manner; that in a situation of an almost recession, a lack of workers, government paralysis due to over-bureaucratic processes, et al. It's so stupid, it makes me wanna leave the country.

Edit: And though I'm pro delivering weapons to Ukraine, I was deeply disgusted by their socialmedia marketing ("free the leopards").

Isn’t recession and lack of workers contradictory?

I don't think so. Lack of workers means you cannot e.g. produce all the goods you want to produce. This will result in less goods being sold -> recession. So basically the lack of workers could be understood as a potential to grow but if you cannot satisfy the demand for workers it will have the opposite effect.

I am not an economist so it might be totally wrong but that is my understanding.

edit: fixed typos

If you produce N goods now and want to produce N+1 goods but cannot find labor how does that result in producing N-1 goods?

Who is saying that you still can produce N goods? If you don't have enough workers (anymore).

Having the potential to grow (e.g. orders) doesn't mean you cannot shrink at the same time because you just cannot produce e.g.

Indeed. "grow" was in one of the parents so I assumed everyone was meaning more leading to my post.

I'm embarrassed to admit that I once believed their anti nuclear hysteria, because the media portrayed this as the only rational position. Reading non German sources quickly cured that delusion.

CDU/CSU is the new AfD. SPD is the new CDU/CSU. Greens are the new SPD. FDP are the fiscally conservative socially whatever-we-think our-voters-like-that-day-ism. As usual.

Left are... a mess, please get rid of Wagenknecht and the remainder of the pro-russia tankie wing.

Everything is going wrong in German politics. The current progressive coalition just announced a law that affects me personally very much (our self-id law) and it's such a bad compromise, it legitimizes every fear - real, imagined or performative - right wingers have about trans people, conflicts with existing anti-discrimination policy and makes the legal standing for every trans person (and presumably cis people who don't look "normal" enough) worse, the only good thing they did was eliminate the meaningless hurdles that were mostly monetary anyway (nobody "failed" the prior way to officially change your documents; people just didn't do it for fear of being retraumatized or for lack of funds). I am legitimately so done with politics in this country that I'm considering moving to Spain or Iceland.

If you like Asia or have Asian heritage consider moving to Singapore. I did and I am never looking back

> CDU/CSU is the new AfD

Are they really as incredibly xenophobic as the AfD?

Angela Merkel was from the CDU/CSU, and she massively expanded asylum in Germany.

What happened?

Friedrich Merz (the populist, far more aligned with CSU) and Armin Laschet (the less than competent and charismatic chancellor candidate) happened. But mostly Merkel leaving happened.

Merkel was extremely popular with the voter base. Not letting her run again was considered an extremely bad take in the CDU/CSU. So she was chancellor for 16 years. She is a consensus seeking politician without too much hard convictions, but being in coalition meant that a lot of her work put her pretty far left within her party (in absolutes, probably slightly right center; she still voted against gay marriage).

The new CDU/CSU lives mostly in the opposition and the only voters they have left to molilize have run off to the AfD, being unhappy with Merkel (and a lot of them have simply died). Most Merkel voters moved on to SPD or even Greens; the only thing that kept them with the party was Merkel as a person.

Well, if you want environmental politic, they are, by far, the least worst party. I vote for them even though I fundamentally disagree on their position on nuclear. This is called making compromises, it's painful, but it's the grown up thing to do.

FDP has climate nagationists on their payroll. Only the far left die Linke has actually a better environmental programme than the green but their position (Schwarzer, Wagenknecht...) on the Ukraine war showed they just exited reality a while back...

It's a sad state to have to vote for the "least worse", but I think it's been like that for while, I just didn't want to see it...

I don't think they have caught up with the SPD yet, but ymmv.

> I have never been more let down by anyone as much as the Green Party in my life.

The people in the UK unwillingly stripped of their EU citizenship due to Brexit might like a word... ;)

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