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So the group that relied on stealing and ripping the licenses off of software to build their project is upset that people are using their product in a way they don't like?

That's some amazing hypocrisy.

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I have to ask if anyone's actually following what GPT4All was doing.

GPT4All was about abusing random projects that make paid queries to OpenAI, not abusing OpenAI itself.

Take what they were doing to phind: https://github.com/xtekky/gpt4free/issues/153

This is like finding an image hosting site that uploads to S3, then writing a fake S3 client that actually uploads to the image hosting site, and calling it "Free S3 access". Amazon gets paid either way, you're not ripping them off in anyway.

Honestly this is OpenAI going above and beyond what they actually need to do, and for some reason people are using it as an excuse to take low effort swings at them.

At the end of the day those companies are using a service built off of my stolen code. I don't think it really changes the ethics all that much- just thieves stealing from thieves who are using a product built using thievery.

Okay.

You mean GPT4Free.

GPT4All is an unrelated ML model based on GPT-J

Why is this amazing? Isn't this pretty much the standard situation everywhere - aka, rules for thee, none for me? For example, NRA not letting guns at their convention, but they want guns everywhere else. And on and on and on...

The NRA allows people to carry guns at their convention, just not when someone who is protected by the secret service is speaking.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/posts-mislead-on-rules-...

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nra-2023-conference-gun-ba...

Why not, wouldn't they be safer assuming we use NRA logic? I'm still seeing the hypocrisy...

Because the Secret Service won't allow it? Just because you think something is right, doesn't mean you can do it when the law doesn't allow it.

What law is that? Not the supreme law of the land aka the second amendment. The irony is right there, do you see it?

You mean the law that the NRA tries to protect and defend? The only irony is that you admit there's a law, a supreme law of the land, but seem to take a biased approach saying there shouldn't be guns. Sadly, they arn't in a position to argue with the secret service, and thus it's only when someone under secret service protection is speaking.

If you donate more to the NRA, they'll have more resources to defend the second amendment.

I think the NRA convention should have unlimited guns all throughout the convention. The actual irony is that the Secret Service knows weapons aren't safe and will happily enact policies, not laws, at a convention that is designed to promote 2A freedoms while completely trampling on those rights all because they're protecting an individual who apparently has greater rights to not be around your guns.

That's their view on it, and i'm glad we agree that it's not the right one and is unconstitutional. If you actually look at gun related homicide statistics, you'll find that certain demographics are that of European levels, while others are that of third world. There's something called availability bias that people can have, and I think you'll find at a NRA convention, or in most of the country, with regular demographics, you are just as likely to be murdered with a weapon as you are in Europe.

Your post stated that the NRA banned guns at their conventions, that is simply not true - the secret service did, and only for a very limited amount of time when the SS took control of the venue.

If you don't like the secret services rules, I suggest you take it up with them...but feel free to keep on moving the goal posts to try and defend your original post, which was false.

BTW: how many shootings have happened at NRA conventions where attendees were welcomed to carry guns, and many did?

My post didn't state that, you're replying to the wrong person.

The guy is essentially stealing the CPU power, he's not just going against ToS.

Yeah and OpenAI, Microsoft, and Github are stealing and profiting off of my brainpower by stealing my open source code. I don't have any sympathy for thieves who get stolen from.

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