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It's worth mention umbrel, https://umbrel.com/

Once umbrel is setup apps are are just as easy to update and install as an iPhone. I also appreciate how it has a dependency system so apps can build on one another. Umbrel is more for personal homelab rather than sharing with friends, there is no public endpoint you would want on the clearnet, you need to VPN in, but that also makes it more secure.

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That website is a very impressive piece of work, but it's also massive friction, if I may say so. "Get up and running in 30 seconds." Pf... can't even get to what they're "selling" in that time. Scroll, scroll, more scroll. A nice, to the point pitch would be nice. Same for Yuno, which people are touting in other threads here, no one seems to be getting to the point "any time soon" on these pages. Sandstorm is probably the best of the bunch at that, but even there I didn't quite get it until I came to the discussion here on HN.

Umbrel is OK. Worked good for me, indeed is relatively easy and a huge amount of apps for install. Mostly related to bitcoin.

I have to agree, the scrolljacking on this site is beautiful and horrific.

Is it something operational or it's all on pre-order?

Fancy website hints on prevalence of form over substance, although perhaps it's just me. People who are concerned about privacy and big corporations don't need fancy rotating boxes, rather clear and concise explanation of the matter.

Just my 2 cents

I installed Umbrel on a VM. It demonstrates a few interesting ideas, but at the same time a form over function is everywhere with nothing fundamental to compensate for that. So you are kind of right.

I use several of these options (cloudron, caprover, easypanel, yunohost) because one of them has an app that the others don't. Umbrel has let me get a Nostr account and relay up and running, for example.

Just keep in mind that Umbrel itself is not open source, since they prevent commercial use/distribution.

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