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This seems like such an unwise thing for them to do that I feel like there must be another explanation.
This seems like such an unwise thing for them to do that I feel like there must be another explanation.
I run forums and have done for +20y.
Reddit may have a user agreement that allows them to use the data forever, but historical versions that were not visible (effectively soft-deleted on edit) puts this into a risk area as it removes the ability for someone to control the data thus transferring ownership far more explicitly to Reddit.
Reddit should be very cautious here... you only get a lot of protections (EU eCommerce Act, etc) but being mere conduit. Arguably volunteer moderators took on a lot of the liability by their act of moderating, and Reddit were able to distance themselves from a lot of the content on the platform.
But once Reddit go intervening in the content, choosing to make some old revisions public, they're now taking editorial decisions that strip them of a lot of the things that protect them.
This is an incredibly naive move in the big picture.
That's shockingly small. Like, can we just build some retro love-child of unison and NNTP, and just keep a copy of all the news groups on our laptops / the ones we care about on our phones?
Anyway, from a liability perspective, undeleting stuff older than that seems to be a moot point.
If they don’t comply, they’ll get fined, and I have the feeling it will not be a small one given how they handle things
But Reddit is a bit off the rails right now, I mean it is clear they aren't making good or smart choices, so even if this is solely bound to the confines of the EU, I don't think they are going to follow the rules, until they are made to.
Could be an intentional small-scale data rollback that has accidentally had far wider effect. Or some “eventually consistent” anomaly where nodes that never saw the changes/deletes have reasserted the version of reality they still see.
But back to the previous hand…
> seems like such an unwise thing for them to do
Doing unwise things then doubling down on them seems to be Reddit's MO at the moment, and that has been the case for a while so each re-doubling currently means a notable jump in unwiseness, so I'm not surprised enough by any given apparent iffy decision that I reach for other explanations by default.
* edited the content of user comments without acknowledgment,
* threatened to or has removed or installed moderators into communities to circumvent the blackout
* threatened to "un-private" communities
Why are you so sure that he wouldn't authorize un-deletion of comments?
Still happened, though.
That would be unprecedented in the history of social media to only allow permanent comments. Im also very skeptical comment deletion is happening at such a scale to be meaningful vs the billion new comments they get a year.
This all smacks of low quality speculation thats mostly a consequence of the current outrage cycle of the week.
his recent behavior suggest that's a possibility
Also, why do people who are defending him always refer to him being drunk? Is he granted some sort of “blame the booze” pass for those actions?
Ok, so how do I delete my HN comments?
Even so, that still may not save you. Say you decide you want your post here deleted. Say HN does so, but leaves my reply. And say my reply looks like this:
> We'll see about that the minute someone makes a GDPR request to delete their stuff.
Well, Paul-Craft, I don't think it's going to work like that...
[End of pretend reply.]
Now your post is quoted by mine, and your name is mentioned in mine as the author. Now you cannot delete all traces of your post without editing mine.
Now what?
gdpr =/= right to be forgotten (I'm not even sure if the latter cares about that. That's more about search indexing than perfectly scrubbing your history). GDPR is there to ensure your data can't be stored indefinitely on some private server without your ability to withdraw it.
Paul-Craft being quoted saying something that one time on June 17th 2023 is 100x less valuable to a data harvester then a directly post from Paul-Craft himself.
>Im also very skeptical comment deletion is happening at such a scale to be meaningful vs the billion new comments they get a year.
I don't think GDPR cares about scale so much as compliance. Scale just affects the fine.
>This all smacks of low quality speculation thats mostly a consequence of the current outrage cycle of the week.
Sure, I don't disagree. As long as we agree we are both dabbling in speculation. could be an honest mistake, could be the next phase of panic from a sight that is flailing about to keep its valuation from dropping further. I won't claim any authority on the topic.
I do find it entertaining how thoroughly they are stumbling over this tho. And we still have over a week until the real action.
I hope its that and not something more dubious.