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Comment by CharlesW | Hacker News Reader

> My overall take on this is people have a weird relationship with reddit.

Alternative explanation: Users may not just roll over when the platforms they've invested countless hours into start abusing them.

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Not sure how much choice the users have in whether reddit rolls them.

The choice they have is in whether they're around at all to be rolled.

They have the choice to not be users anymore.

Which seems like a bad option for Reddit, given that their only value proposition is that they have a lot of users.

this isn't really costing users anything, unless "time spent on Reddit" is considered a good.

How is Reddit abusing them? By charging $0.24 for 1000 API requests? By enforcing year old rules they created because mods power tripped and users complained?

I mean, maybe the outward hostility?

- https://gizmodo.com/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-moderators-land...

- https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/reddit-protest-blacko...

Or the absolutely abysmal and tonedeaf responses every chance they had?

- https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/145bram/addressing_...

- https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/9/23755640/reddit-api-change...

- https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/15/23762501/reddit-ceo-steve...

Or the easily disproven libel? https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/143sho8/admins_c...

That's been doubled and tripled down on? https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/09/reddit-ceo-doubles-down-on...

Or literally changing or removing user's posts and comments? https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/14fafpp/the_admin...

That all sounds abusive to me. If anything, the API price was the straw and focusing on it and ignoring literally everything that happened since is just being disingenuous.

Making apps effectively unusable after also making the mobile website effectively unusable is very bad behavior to your users.

Users don't care, they just want to keep browsing reddit.

Power-tripping mods are the ones trying to tank the subreddits.

The communities that actually ask the users for feedback on what they want tend to all be back to normal.

First, mods are the group of people who are most impacted by Reddit's proposed changes, so of course they're going to be more vocal about this than the average user.

Second, are you arguing that mods aren't also users?

Users do care. Reddit has been going through enshittification for years and this most recent change is the straw that broke the camels back. I don't know why there's so many Reddit shills on Hackernews pretending like it's just power-tripping moderators. It isn't. It's a huge subset of the Reddit community who've been using it for over a decade who are so sick of how bad it's gotten. It's obvious old.reddit is next; because Reddit was able to bust this protest, they do it again, and again.

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