UC San Francisco apologizes for prisoner experiments
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> [While] the work I did with colleagues at CMF was considered by many to be appropriate by the standards of the day, [in retrospect] those standards were clearly evolving. I obviously would not work under those circumstances today... I have sincere remorse in relationship to these efforts some decades ago."
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The important lesson I've learned myself is while it is easy to be shocked by the cruelty of others, don't think that given the right motivation you too won't do similar things.
The whole darwinian "less evolved" and "sub-human" labels given to minorities in the US and european colonies for example is the entire society coming up with reasoning that allows for their pre-determined cruelty. In some places, animals experienced much less cruelty than human children.
Evil is the default setting for people, especially when a competition over a resource is involved. good is something we have to be taught and disciplined into.
Citation needed, beyond you being overly dramatic?
I’ve seen cows get slaughtered and I’m mostly vegetarian (let’s call it meat-light). What’s remarkably common is humans inventing stories to drive their agenda.
I don’t know why you’re really bringing up this point, especially like this, beyond trying to get into flame bait territory…
Firsthand experience lol. Perhaps slaughterhouses medicate them in a commercial setting? No idea.
I brought up the point because we do it anyways despite the fear and terror in those creatures so we can get a tasty meal.
I don't really want to look up videos of animals getting slaughtered but there are places where you can buy the animal and slaughter it yourself. Go ahead and try it and see for yourself. For me, not just their panic cry but as the knife cuts through the throat they scream+gargle through the blood. Hard to get that image out of my head.
But like I said, I eat meat, I am not better than anyone in that regard.
Keep in mind, modern animal killing has to be "humane" as in be acceptable to people who never get close enough to see that stuff. Similar to capital punishment I suppose.
The concept of an honorable/respectful killing is strange to modern western minds who only care about minimizing pain as a measure of cruelty.
https://lawblogs.uc.edu/ihrlr/2021/05/28/not-just-ice-forced....
Maybe a student-run newspaper/outlet will do a big feature in early Fall.
I've never been experimented on against my will, but if I was, and 60 years later some kid fresh out of college decided to "apologize" for the brutality that other people carried out against me... uh, can you be any more tone deaf?
One of the experimenters is still at the university according to the article.
What would you have liked to see them do differently or what actions would you have liked to see rather than an apology? (If anything)
It's been 60 years, and now the organization makes an apology when it's fashionable? You can't just commit human atrocities and then say "Oh, sorry about all the atrocities."
Apologies are not at all appropriate when it comes to human atrocities.
Seriously, think about it: if someone committed murder and then apologized to the family for taking their loved one away from this world forever... do you think the family would really want that apology? Or would it be just a slap in the face?
I am reminded of the trend of inserting land acknowledgement statements at the beginning of speeches and group activities. It panders to a group of people who approve of such things, without making a meaningful or genuine gesture. It is basically another way of saying "hey everyone, this guy over here got screwed. Anyway, let's not bother with changing the status quo, I've got more interesting things to talk about..."