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If you believe the government is capable of covering this up for decades then you must also believe they're just as capable of lying about UFO's existing for some other reason.

I heard some guy saying they were actually demons, which I found quite funny/entertaining. Supposedly these aliens smell like sulfur badly. Maybe aliens/demons are the same thing? I guess we're gonna need the Doom Slayer.

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Honestly I don’t think the government is sufficiently competent to cover up something as big as intelligent aliens arriving on earth. That’s the most exciting news ever. There’s just no way in my mind they could keep that quiet successfully.

Exciting or terrifying? Seems like it would be highly dependent on context and how minor details get interpreted.

Aliens that are alternate dimensional / advanced technologically could control the release of their existence through various means, while still having some incentive to reveal themselves in stages that seem plausible to us. Imagining them only as meat-sacks-from-another-rock is lacking imagination.

And you might be the only truly conscious mind in a vast alien simulation. I don’t think just because something is possible it becomes worth considering - given our epistemological failings and the impossibility of induction, basically anything is possible…

In other words: I find the idea that aliens might be mind-controlling the US congress to slowly reveal their presence for the first time ever seems ridiculous. Personally :)

It definitely would have seemed ridiculous to me before I took a heroic dose of psychedelics. Now, it seems ridiculous to rule it out.

But at this point you're also arguing for the existence of fairies.

Many of the best physicists I guess argue for fairies as well. In the context of many US government military officers and senators confirming evidence of fairy like vehicles.

No, at best they say they see stuff they can't identify. Throughout all this there are claims that someone somewhere has real evidence but it never materializes. You're taking that credible observational claim and running with it until you end up with alternate dimension creatures. I'm just saying - if we're going to make a bunch of unsubstantiated sci-fi claims fairies seem just as likely.

I didn’t argue for it or make any claim, you’re way distorting what I said which is just that shooting down the simplest form of alien arguments doesn’t shoot them all down, and offered two.

The many-worlds quantum interpretations have many curious advocates within physics.

There are now multiple senators and high level military officers confirming this explicitly as well, so that’s also wrong on your part.

You offered science fiction and act like that makes it more plausible when the table stakes of "was what was observed outside of the realm of normal?" haven't even been satisfied. I think it's faeries. We're at an impasse.

Multiple senators and high level military officers are bringing in material evidence?

One of my scenarios was inter dimensional entities. The other was just sufficiently advanced tech. It’s funny you ad hominem the first one and ignore the second.

Well, because imaging sufficiently advanced tech without evidence that it exists or is even plausible is literally science fiction.

And yet we don’t know everything, so shooting anything not currently explainable down as implausible is even less plausibly right!

Not to mention that there’s tons of really interesting explanations grounded in science that could explain either scenario.

Just because it's plausible doesn't make it any less science fiction if we have no evidence it currently exists. We're right back to faeries, writing fiction without proof that anything super/para-normal has even occurred.

We're not co-authoring a scientific paper, we're chatting about potential explanations for a variety of disparate but strange reports from various branches of the govt about a variety of recent evidence on UFOs. There's multiple videos released, there's a variety of reports from people who had either first or second hand knowledge. The people are at least somewhat credible (much more than in the past). That's all. Your strong need to gatekeep the conversation is odd, I'm not even making any strong claim just throwing out far-out implausible options, acknowledging them as such. It shouldn't be hard to have informal conversation exploring new possibilities without a scientist pre-approving the topic. It's just an internet forum discussion thread on a weird UFO story.

Right they simultaneously believe the government is so incompetent they can't implement national healthcare that every other major nation on earth has figured out but are so competent they can get thousands of people to keep the most impactful secret in the history of mankind.

Not implementing national healthcare is a choice made to placate US corporations that contribute to politicians' campaigns. Like most "hard to solve" problems, it isn't a competency issue and isn't that hard to solve. The "problem" makes a lot of money for the right people, and it doesn't matter that it costs a lot of money for most people.

I'm talking about the constituents who actually believe that the reason not to adopt nationalized healthcare is because the gov would screw it up.

But what if all aliens are body snatchers? And the first people to use as hosts are our leaders? Conspiracy theorists can finish the rest of the story. Their fictions always have the right answers without the proof.

Well people have been leaking claims for decades (since roswell) so perhaps they haven't kept it secret but it didn't matter because no one believed it anyway.

>I heard some guy saying they were actually demons, which I found quite funny/entertaining. Supposedly these aliens smell like sulfur badly. Maybe aliens/demons are the same thing? I guess we're gonna need the Doom Slayer.

When did you hear this? perhaps after this person saw Childhood's End[0] (based on the 1953 novel[1], which is much better IMHO) and mistook it for a documentary?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood%27s_End_(miniseries)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood%27s_End

That sounds like a reference to Childhood's End:

https://www.syfy.com/videos/childhoods-end

I don't think they are capable of covering up the existence of other worldly craft visiting our planet. I DO think they are capable of covering up a program that was a huge money pit and didn't really produce anything of substance for years on end.

I gotta re-read Childhood's End, just in case they also have horns.

Religion was born based on primitive humans observing aliens, which were interpreted as "angels" and "demons". It's as good of an explanation as any.

Either way, we will need to make great technological leaps to develop proper demonslaying equipment.

I too am a fan of the Stargate franchise.

Shor's stone! So the Plane of Oblivion does exist.

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