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Grams of CO2 per kWh:

France: 43

Germany: 398

https://abload.de/img/img_20230705_133511_84efdp.jpg

The reason? Germans hate nuclear and prefer coal as a stable energy source.

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Most of the population changed their mind and is pro-nuclear. But sadly the only party really supporting nuclear energy is the AfD, which is a far-right party most would never consider to vote for.

Nuclear phase-out is part of the Green party identity; the CDU had Merkel going against nuclear after Fukushima and can't really go back, the FDP agreed, the SPD is also against it.

I'm afraid you're not realizing the impact of your echo chamber. The bulk of german voting power lies in the age group of 40 to 70, measured by voter turnout per age group. People aged 45 and up felt the imoact of the Chernobyl disaster, whole forests in Germany are still not allowed to be foraged for mushrooms because of ground contamination. Those people have their fear of nuclear power ingrained in them and as usual there's not a lot you can do to convince them. As such "Most of the population changed their mind and is pro nuclear." is definitely not true, at least not right now and I doubt it will ever change.

And as we've seen recently in the state of Thuringia, AFD has garnered the top with 35%, that's far from "most people would never consider to vote for".

I certainly remember my father digging the earth of our fruit garden aside half a year after the fallout of Chernobyl. Things added to perspective.

It's not an echo chamber but statistics: https://www.tech-for-future.de/atomkraft-umfrage/#Wie_viel_P...

> the AfD, which is a far-right party most would never consider to vote for.

The AFD is currently the second most popular political party in Germany and the strongest in many parts. It's also better described as center-left.

No, the AfD is a right extremist party, one of their leading figures, Björn Höcke can now legally be called a Nazi.

Their stance on immigration is completely mainstream in many other countries.

That doesn't contradict what I wrote.

But then you would have to claim that the mainstream parties of many, if not most, countries are "right extremist". Japan would probably count as significantly more "extremist" than the AfD.

I would call all parties right extremists who deny or relativate the Holocaust, consider shooting people at the borders and so on.

That is a gross misrepresentation of that parties position.

And that's exactly proof of how immensely far left Germany's politics have shifted. In absolute terms, the AFD is a left leaning party. They still support "immigration" for example.

No, that is a myth. They are right wing extremists.

Could you explain how the AfD is left leaning? Their positions align with the right:

- stopping immigration

- stronger rights for police and authorities

- emphasis on classical gender roles, ban of LGBT "propaganda" (as they call it)

- lowering taxes and reducing government size

- leaving the Euro zone and creating a new currency

And since they are taking these positions to their extremes, it seems entirely fair to call them "extreme right". No other parties would keep literal Nazis among their leadership.

Similar positions count as moderate in many other countries.

You did not understand me correctly. They are taking extreme versions of these positions. It doesn't matter whether the positions themselves count as moderate in other countries or not.

Left-right is an inadequate system for classifying politics, but the AfD is certainly not center, and it's ridiculous to classify them as "left", either economically (where there are mostly neoliberal) or socially (where they are as conservative as you can get).

I am not pro-nuclear! It is the worst energy ever!

The earth receives 5000 times more energy from the sun than mankind needs! It is free. Just use it.

lignite coal is the worst one, literally bringing us climate change, extremely bad air and pollution.

Yeah but they didnt shut it down because of some safety concerns, in truth nuclear is just too cheap for infinite growth of the German electricity corpos, and those pay all the politicians. Highest electricity prices on the planet, that's good old corruption that rotted Germany to the core.

And their politics is all neoliberal, of course they drive people to the right, it's the only alternative that doesn't threaten capital.

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