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"And how did Russia come to "own" the peninsula again?"

By fighting the Ottoman Empire and their protectorate -- the remains of the Golden Horde known as Crimean Khanate [0]. The last was busy raiding Russia and selling captured slaves to Ottomans [1]. The Golden Horde, in case you don't know, is itself one the remains of the Mongol Empire.

"What happened to its original inhabitants?"

Scythians [2] and Tauri [3] were assimilated by Sarmatians and later were partly destroyed and party assimilated by Goths. Why did you ask?

"Which treaty"

It looks like you are asking in bad faith and already know the answer. When circumstances change treaties become obsolete. Ever heard of Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, for example? [4]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_the_Crimean_Khan...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean%E2%80%93Nogai_slave_ra...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythia_Minor_(Crimea)

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tauri

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Ballistic_Missile_Treaty

> It looks like you are asking in bad faith and already know the answer. When circumstances change treaties become obsolete. Ever heard of Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, for example? [4]

Sweet so since the Budapest memorandum is out we can start rearming Ukraine with nukes after the war.

After all the treaty is obsolete right?.

I'll bet be the US will never do it. They pushed the Ukraine to disarm for a reason and that reason still stands -- no one wants them selling warheads to the highest bidder.

> I'll bet be the US will never do it. They pushed the Ukraine to disarm for a reason and that reason still stands -- no one wants them selling warheads to the highest bidder.

The reason was to try and stop nuclear proliferation, not whatever made up reason your coming with today.

But Ukraine doesn't need Americas approval to make nuclear weapons they are more than capable of making them themselves.

They should also never sign another treaty with Russia ever, as clearly Russia just makes treaties "obsolete" when it benefits them.

Russia has always been unreliable partner I guess thats why they will only understand force in Ukraine.

Why did you ask?

Probably because you keep neglecting to mention, for some strange reason, the ethnic group that made up some 90 percent of the population the peninsula at the time of the (not so peaceful) 1783 annexation. Let alone what, specifically, happened to them in the summer of '44.

And how obscenely ridiculous it is, as a result -- to say that the peninsula was "Russian for 200 years" prior to the 1955 transfer.

ABM

Except the US didn't just thumb their noses at, and start violating willy-nilly (like Russia did with the 1994 treaty you are so hesitant to name). Rather - it had an opt-out clause which Bush chose to enact, giving the required 6 months notice.

"you keep neglecting to mention"

But I did mention. [0]

"how obscenely ridiculous it is"

No more obscenely ridiculous than saying that the US exists for 200 years. Ever heard of Native Americans who inhabited the North America?

Crimea was conquered by Russia, not by the Ukraine which didn't even exists as a state at that time, and Russia was busy building cities there and in all of Novorossiya.

"not so peaceful"

Why would it be peaceful? Crimean Khanate was raiding Russia and capturing slaves for centuries. Didn't end well for them.

"Except"

I didn't say it's equivalent, just an example of a treaty outliving its utility for one of the parties.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36743879

I did mention.

But you keep talking around it.

You still can't bring yourself to say who these people were. Or what happened to their descendants.

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