So there is
1. surveillance/control techno-fascism
2. US-centric political zeitgeist
3. useless cloud garbage
all rolled into one. This is without a doubt the most contemporary story I've seen in a while.
I can't believe anyone would buy an Amazon product after this, it's crazy! Can your other IOT things be shut off? Can your AWS account be disabled?
especially the case for google. ex, with their anti adblock movement in youtube, there's a small chance you might find yourself locked from your emails, GCP, Drive and every other service if they decide to be more aggressive about it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36747367
But yeah all of it is speculation really, right? There's no facts here you'd bet large sums on being as described - yet it's entirely possible some are too. Who knows?
And that's why we have laws and courts to deal with bad behavior.
Amazon and other Tech companies are Huge because they provide people what they desire instantly with no friction.
Why setup a HA instance and learn to manage things yourself when you can just outsource it
But people actually do want the kinds of features enabled by IoT devices on top of cloud infrastructure and they're reasonably priced. It's not idiocy, it's utility.
And you're free not to buy into it. It's no skin off your back.
> And you're free not to buy into it. It's no skin off your back.
Of course. It's absolutely no skin off my back. I'm just expressing that I don't understand why people choose to do this. It's also true that I don't need to understand! But I am curious.
These cloud providers should be regulated like utilities.
Until they don't. Often times it gets harder and harder to be a luddite or near one.
It doesn't help things if we blame others for their poor consumer choices.
Amazon is suddenly going to suspend someone because a random employee made a report?! With neither verification nor advance notice? Excuse me?
That seems like it could very well stand under racketeering laws--"Nice delivery service you got there--shame if something were to happen to it." I hope there is an ambulance chaser salivating over this.
Also, while the US certainly has racism, I don't think it's fair to call that "US-centric". A lot of countries have a lot of racists.
What!?!? The description of the incident says " Amazon completely shut down the customer's account, locking him out of his smart home devices."
How is that "we will no longer send them to your house"?
If in order to not send a delivery person to a customer's house Amazon needs to shut down the customer's account it would seem that the one having difficulty separating these things that should be separate is Amazon and not anyone else?
One driver, made one accusation, and bam instant termination of the account. I can not support that as being the "correct action". Far too much room for abuse in such a system
in this case the person had to submit evidence of their innocence to amazon by way of other Camera's. what if no evidence had existed to refute the drivers claim? I will never a support a "Guilty until proven innocent" standard for anything
> in this case the person had to submit evidence of their innocence to amazon by way of other Camera's. what if no evidence had existed to refute the drivers claim?
Amazon is not a right. If they couldn't prove it wasn't true, Amazon doesn't owe them anything except possibly a refund on the smart devices (I could see that).
Is Amazon legally mandated to give their customers Due process? no and I never claimed they were.
The Comment I was responding to also did not make a legal claim or statement, they did not say "Amazon had the legal right to terminate their account" they claimed "Amazon made the entirely correct action" Which I disagree with, as I believe all companies even if they are not legally required to do so should apply common sense principles in their business dealings one of those being due process, and evidence based approaches before they choose to terminate business relationships
It is sad to live in a society where every action, every interaction, is guided by what is "legal" it is even sadder when people look to legislative bodies for their moral and ethical guidance
Do better.
This kind of condescension really doesn't help your point and in fact leads me to believe you're simply virtue signaling.
According to the customer, this was all a misunderstanding, and he never actually made any sort of insult.
The fact that it was a misunderstanding isn't relevant in my opinion. Had it been a real insult, Amazon might be justified in refusing to deliver there, but that's still not a justification to turn of all their devices.
But most importantly: we should stop making ourselves so dependent on these giant corporations that care nothing about us, only about profit.
I don't know about you but to me that point was reached and exceeded when it became clear the person making the claim was wearing ear pods and couldn't even claim an unobstructed listening experience to the event they complained about...
The thing that bugs me is that there is no penalty for the delivery driver.