Alternative title: "Bringing back the asylums without admitting we were wrong about closing them"
In a lifetime of debt
We need to fix the legal system to allow people to get the help they need. If you even remotely think asking for help will get the cops sent to kick down your door and shoot your dog you won't go get help. Often times when you do get help it's too late.
Saying that someone with anxiety "needs help most" is unconvincing given the presence of psychotic homeless who aren't receiving treatment because of limited capacity or lack of financial incentive
I really don't understand your comment: why does a violent, untreated psychotic "need help less" than a neurotic who rejects the help for legal reasons?
The disagreement we have seems to be based on what the actual goal is of mental health intervention. It sounds like (correct me if I'm wrong) that you're saying the purpose is emotional growth. A neurotic is in more of a position to benefit from therapy than a psychotic. But I'm not considering things in terms of that, more so in terms of public safety
Temporary holds however seem to have temporary effects, except for the trauma, legal side effects, bills, etc. anyway. 5150 holds are a bad joke.
From what I've read, 2/3s [1] of people who commit suicide have never sought any sort of treatment at all, so they'd never present at the ER in the first place or be candidates for hospitalization vs outpatient. If the suicide rate is still rising among that population, then that would probably disprove that. If it's not, then you may be right.
Maybe that was the focus for this exclusionary modeling.
Still, it is a lot of data to wade through, even under the most auspice of rigorous screenings for a purer validity.
"It’s Time to Bring Back Asylums"
But it wasn't wrong to close them. They were torture dungeons where the government warehoused undesirables that it wasn't allowed to euthanize because we were supposed to be the good guys. Even now, they're literally a horror movie cliche... that doesn't happen by accident, it doesn't happen unjustifiably.
If you think that people want to bring them back without admitting that society was wrong to close them in the first place, how much of that is "I want the homeless to stop shitting on my front door stoop in San Francisco"?
That's about 40 minutes from where I live and I can say first hand it isn't a exaggeration, since the pandemic those areas have been growing. Would you feel safe walking at night there? Now consider that children live in those communities. Do you think they feel safe?
I agree with you that many of the asylums were inhumane, shock therapy and the like. I think you'd also agree with me that modern asylums probably wouldn't be as bad had they been allowed to remain as they would've certainly been reformed over time. I am strong on personal liberty, and individual rights, However it is inhumane to those residents of those, very poor, communities to essentially have a open air asylum imposed upon them. Something must be done with these people, if not asylums what? Prison? I suspect that would have worse outcomes.
It existed just to hide these facts of life from the most fortunate and spare their feelings.
All at the expense of the committed that were horrifically abused.
And no, you won't do it right this time.
Those were endorsed torture centers with zero accountability.
Prisons don't even come close.