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No, we're not in a war. Thanks Biden.

What's your counterfactual?

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Proxy wars are still wars.

Tell that to all our infantry who aren't in any danger. Selling used military equipment is not being at war.

US weapons, US intel, US alliances and organizations... I doubt Russia looks at it and thinks "Oh, OK, the US is totally not involved. They're our friends!"

Even when we're not actively sending troops, we're busy making enemies for the next war...

they regularly declared the US was their primary enemy well before invading Ukraine, and actively leveraged aggressive information and political influence operations to destabilize the US

there is no "making enemies for the next war" -- they were always enemies

Tell this to the loved ones left behind by those killed in "not war".

Who?

They've just off-shored the lives lost. It's not any different than off-shoring manufacturing and poisoning some third world country with the waste chemicals and runoff instead of the homeland.

The lives are being lost because Russians are shooting at them. They're the ones who decided to do that.

"Proxy war" implies the US put Ukraine up to this. The US did not. Russia put Ukraine up to it by invading them.

The US has had a heavy hand in this situation for a decade. You can argue that it's the right thing to do, but it's not like the US just got involved once Russia invaded.

> The US has had a heavy hand in this situation for a decade. You can argue that it's the right thing to do, but it's not like the US just got involved once Russia invaded.

It’s worth remembering that this war actually started close to a decade ago and not in 2022.

Based on that it does sound like the US got involved around the time Russia invaded.

I mean, a decade ago Ukraine was de facto Russian territory.

If by that you mean Paul Manafort helped install a Russian puppet as president who was ousted by the Ukrainian people, then you could argue that, but Ukraine is a sovereign and has been since the 90s. Your argument is the same as Putin's, claiming it isn't an invasion because Ukraine is Russia's!

This has gotta be the most intellectually dishonest comment I've ever read.

Nobody trusts U.S. intelligence agencies anymore, bro. Whatever.

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