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>it's the same as the backwards bend Windows users are doing to avoid jumping to something easier like Linux Mint

No need to be snarky for a cheap shot at windows users who never bothered you with anything, not everyone is trying to avoid jumping or trying to jump.

Get out of your (tech) bubble and touch some grass, plenty of Average Joe users are contempt using what's familiar and works for them out of the box with their Lenovo/Asus laptop, and use their free time for other things instead of learning about new GNU/Linux operating systems, because they have other hobbies and uses for their time, so no need to talk down on them off your IT high-horse.

The group of people who can't go 5 minutes without bashing Windows 11, are just a loud minority (who don't use Windows 11 anyway lol) that goes unheard of in the "real world" where people have other stuff on their mind than worrying about their OS.

Just live and let live, and use the energy you put in bashing Windows 11 online, towards something actually productive. Windows 11 users who are really unhappy will seek the change themselves.

I didn't read the GP comment as bashing.

I read it as simply asserting that the levels of effort were closer than some Windows users realize.

The vast majority of Average Joes Windows users don't seek out debloating tools on GitHub though, but the HN hivemind is too self-absorbed and out of touch to realize this. Most users don't even know what GitHub is except maybe some website programmers use.

And the users who do seek out debloating tools, it's because they need/prefer Windows over Linux mint despite them having the skills to learn to use Linux.

It's not about effort, it's about necessity/preference/habit.

Oh, the sensitivity of the Windows defender.

I'll keep repeating this. I've been doing "installing operating systems and intro to IT courses" for well over a decade now, for many different types of users at many skill levels.

Out of the box Linux (e.g. Mint) is an across the board better operating system for anyone who doesn't need anything specifically tied to Windows. It's easier, it just works.

I admit that it's not all "Linux people are awesome" as much as I would like -- it's "most everything most people need is available on the Web," which Linux is very good at.

The Linux experience is roughly equal to the Mac experience, and Windows is third. Inertia is presently Windows Desktop only advantage.

>> anyone who doesn't need anything specifically tied to Windows

This is the elephant in the room.

That's no excuse, they can learn to use Gimp and FreeCAD instead of using Photoshop and AutoCAD. /s

I'm with you on this, but again, far fewer people even need things as heavy as Gimp/Photoshop with the web alternatives around. Stuff like Canva, even.

The accounting and finance departments of every business run on Excel. The Microsoft office suite is an absolute bare minimum requirement for people who work in those worlds, and it's the main reason Windows sticks around there.

(Office 365 may be changing that, though.)

In my experience, there's far less of this than one would think.

E.g. Yes, even my workplace requires crappy Outlook email, but the web is just as bad-slash-good.

It's telling that MS Windows users react so defensively to what was a very reasonable comment.

Reasonable from who's PoV?

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