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And I'm curious what Team's current terms are too.

If no one answers I'll ask internally (I'm in Microsoft but just an engineer and not in teams), I can tell you that in our org we don't have access to customer data, actual customer data is encrypted anyway and every access to a production machine is recorded, audited and has to be justified legally (and is very rare to the point I haven't _actually_ seen it done except to literally learn how to go through the process on a machine with no dat).

I'm also curious what the ToS says about teams, if it allows it I'd be pretty disgusted and I was very surprised Zoom does this..

I get it from Zoom's perspective: it's a core differentiator and strategic future advantage for them.

I think it's going to lose them more customers than make them money... but we'll see.

MS is a more interesting case, because they have a tradition of understanding enterprise concerns, and don't really need the data from Teams given their product portfolio.

But, common strategic sense often doesn't stop tactical, myopic product manager blunders, so I am curious.

> I think it's going to lose them more customers than make them money... but we'll see.

We will indeed. Given the vast, vast majority of users' reading of TOS in the first place, much less understanding them, this to me seems very unlikely.

I would be very surprised to find out they're not legally obliged to guarantee dumpster fire netcode and worst possible UI out of all the competitors.

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