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Comment by bayindirh | Hacker News Reader

You can't trust anything you have not built, incl. your laptop, keyboard, mouse, phone, car, even your teabag (what happens if they're randomly drugging your tea to test some pathogens, with a request from your government).

Even if you have built that thing, you can't trust any semi-capable chip to not log, change, or exfiltrate data in any way possible.

So, the hole has no bottom.

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To achieve true privacy, first you must create the universe.

Let me get my big-bang kit, manufactured by looks to the underside...

I don't know whether I can trust the company which made it.

For the people who don't have a kit yet, they can always take the cloud approach and use Google Online Development simulator (G.O.D. simulator) and follow their tutorial for Hello Universe[1].

[1]: https://youtu.be/tmGMd2bqh6o

Looking for Universe SDK in case you have a link

https://zombo.com/

The universe you create is inside the universe you inhabit in, which has no privacy, so the universe you create also has no privacy.

No, you create a parallel one. It executes sandbox escape after a couple femtoseconds.

Given enough time in your own head, this is doable.

You're right. We're actually wasting our time ever thinking about our security or privacy, or taking any measures to protect it. You've convinced me that some security is an illusion, and that the real answer is trust.

if you want privacy on the internet you have options. VPNs give you privacy from your local network and ISP and a little bit from the destination service, and that's it.

there are options to have privacy from additional kinds of parties. i2p, tor. whonix distribution of linux, tails…

> there are options to have privacy from additional kinds of parties.

like ones you pay to use their VPN servers...?

What if your VPN is the true adversary here?

Edit: Also, questioning trustworthiness of VPNs and them putting them forward as a solution is... a bit unorthodox.

> What if your VPN is the true adversary here?

They're not. Spectrum is my true adversary. My VPN may also be an adversary but that's a possibility, whereas Spectrum is a certainty.

This thread is reacting to someone pointing out the weaknesses in VPNs. It's the people who were triggered by that to defend VPN usage against the pointing out of this reality, and to imply everyone aware of the drawbacks are paranoiacs; it's those people who have committed themselves in advance to a solution.

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