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W11 is absolute garbage. I hate it - I have two identical gaming laptops, one Windows 10& one is 11.

The 11 crashes a lot, overheats and then on top of it ms has integrated ads I to the OS... And tying your login to outlook.com should be illegal :-)

The w10 machine never over heats, doesn't crash and doesn't have as much as embedded - but it still ties to outlook.com no bueno

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I honestly noticed zero day to day changes when I moved my PC from Windows 10 to 11. No less stable, no more performance issues, nothing. Your laptop overheating makes me think it's a lemon.

Same here, except for new defaults that are infuriating (notably the impossibility to ungroup icons in the taskbar).

Otherwise it is the same product for me.

Is it really fair to blame the software for overheating? Doesn't your motherboard control the fan speeds?

Some users are just clueless and need to vent on something they hate rather than on the thing that's actually causing the issue. If their car doesn't start in the morning it's Window's fault.

You missed the part where I have TWO PHYSICALLY IDENTICAL Machines - and YES I control the fans, but W11 turns them on when doing stupid shit like running chrome to watch videos...

I can swap the SSDs between the two machines (which I have done, multiple times) - its W11 - not my inability to manage a laptop with a 40 year career in IT..

The you must be the unluckiest person ever to have the only documented case of W11 causing overheating.

At home and work we all switched to W11 from W10 and no such HW problems occurred over W10.

Have you done a clean OS reinstall off official USB ISO? Most likely you have some rogue background process hammering your CPU. I had something similar on a Dell on Win 10 years before. Can't remember what it was.

Why do you control the fans when the motherboard has a built in temperature sensor that will control them for you? Windows 11 consumes a standard interface like ACPI/PECI and uses that to collect system data.

MSFT does have an article for people complaining about this issue, the accepted answer is updating your bios drivers/firmware.

>Why do you control the fans when the motherboard has a built in temperature sensor that will control them for you?

To turn them off when they turn on when they shouldnt. I thought that was obv.

EDIT : -- but the moboo SHOULD NOT BE GETTING FUCKING SMOKING HOT when browsing FN YOUTUBE (again::: THE SAME FN HARDWARE)

It's far from obvious because the amount of heat generated inside of a laptop is going to require constant airflow. The idle temperature of a CPU is 86 to 104 which is always going to be warm and browsers use significant amount of resources and even more so when they're playing video. There is never a time when your fans should be off, ever. Even liquid cooled CPUs require airflow to dissipate heat.

The fan sped of your laptop is controlled by the controller on the motherboard which ahs its own firmware, not by windows. Yes your laptops may be the same model, but oine might have different thermal paste application, more dust, etc.

Or on your Win11 install you have something messed up that maybe messes with your HW acceleration when watching youtube, who knows, you haven't really provided any valuable diagnostic info other than "my laptop overheats". Have you tried a clean Win install?

You must not be aware of the fact that you can adjust fan settings in the nvdia apps?

I'm not convinced this is actually a W11 problem, but the OS absolutely can and probably should be involved in controlling fans these days.

Why do you keep Windows 11 on that laptop?

I'd think that cloning your Windows 10 image would be an improvement.

Windows 10 ist EoL very soon in 2024.

Laughs in LTSC

Fortunately the 2021 LTSC version EOLs 2027-01-12, so it should still be possible to use Windows 10 beyond 2024 assuming the user is okay with the steps needed to run LTSC.

It's been a while since I looked into using LTSC.

Are the two options basically pirate it or pay huge sums of money?

Because I dont currently have enough swap space to switch the data/organize the data to make it easy to clone...

I basically have to have a MANY ssd de-dupe capability btwn my machines and apps and various data...

This is why I was hoping that an earlier announcement of AI enable desktop search could also auto-categorize organize de-dupe my stuffs...

so apathy? Daunting process? Lack of tools? climate change (its too hot to do brain work)?

You could try some of the tools to debloat and reduce telemetry in Windows 11, like O&O ShutUp and BloatyNosy.

I'm running 11 on unsupported hardware that previously ran 10 fine, and so far no stability or performance issues.

> ...ms has integrated ads I to the OS...

Who would have thunk, ChromeOS, an OS from an advertising company, would have less ads than an OS from Microsoft?

What specs do the laptops have? Windows 11 has higher requirements than Windows 10.

Anecdotally, on my not-officially-supported intel 3rd gen core, win11 has been a much snappier and all-around more pleasant experience than Windows 10.

I'm not saying it's a great OS or anything, I only use it for games and Adobe stuff. But it almost made me consider using it for other things.

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